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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 18:54:48 GMT
Why can't you fill a petrol engine's tank with petrol whilst the engine's running? What does it matter? It's not like you're spraying petrol all over a hot engine. What about the old bollocks about not using a mobile phone whilst at a petrol station 'in case the radio waves caused an explosion' or some old bollocks like that? What a load of old bollocks. however. the government have said you can't and a petrol station could lose their petroleum licence if they allow you to do so. I don't think anyone in Finland has ever bothered with this* since mobile phones came along. It's a bit like the old toads' tale about mobile phones causing brain cancer if you hold them too close to your ears. (*not using a mobile phone at a gas station)
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:04:29 GMT
Why can't you fill a petrol engine's tank with petrol whilst the engine's running? What does it matter? It's not like you're spraying petrol all over a hot engine. What about the old bollocks about not using a mobile phone whilst at a petrol station 'in case the radio waves caused an explosion' or some old bollocks like that? What a load of old bollocks. Many many boat fires have been caused by careless refueling - a Freeman went up at Burton Waters causing this little conflagration. www.ybw.com/news-from-yachting-boating-world/two-boats-destroyed-by-fire-at-burton-waters-marina-50018“What happened was that a visiting boat came and was fuelled up and then the man came to pay. It was nearly 20 minutes later that he started the boat up and at that point he saw there was a fire on board so he quickly gets off,” he said. Not clear at all if the fill-up was performed with engine running. 20 minutes after paying he saw there was a fire.... (and how about using the fire extinguishers? BSS demands we have THREE on our tiny boat). Still, yes, of course, petrol is fickle, I go along with the rule that petrol engines must be off for re-filling. But a truck or bus diesel engine? By the way, is it not so that on cars the fuel filler cap/pipe is on the other side of the car to the exhaust pipe to help avoid conflagration with having petrol drip onto a hot exhaust pipe? (funny thing with my bus is that the exhaust pipe is directly below the fuel filler cap - but this is handy because if the fuel nozzle is frozen, you stick it up the exhaust pipe to unfreeze it - yes, I've done this a few times).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 19:14:17 GMT
“What happened was that a visiting boat came and was fuelled up and then the man came to pay. It was nearly 20 minutes later that he started the boat up and at that point he saw there was a fire on board so he quickly gets off,” he said. Not clear at all if the fill-up was performed with engine running. 20 minutes after paying he saw there was a fire.... (and how about using the fire extinguishers? BSS demands we have THREE on our tiny boat). Still, yes, of course, petrol is fickle, I go along with the rule that petrol engines must be off for re-filling. But a truck or bus diesel engine? By the way, is it not so that on cars the fuel filler cap/pipe is on the other side of the car to the exhaust pipe to help avoid conflagration with having petrol drip onto a hot exhaust pipe? (funny thing with my bus is that the exhaust pipe is directly below the fuel filler cap - but this is handy because if the fuel nozzle is frozen, you stick it up the exhaust pipe to unfreeze it - yes, I've done this a few times). Almost certainly caused by not using/having a bilge blower. A Ford Watermota has a flame arrestor on the carb inlet and should fail the BSS if it is not present. (It's a R - required, not A - advisor (unlike all the additional cabin ventilation bollocks) 2.14 Carburettors 2.14.1 Are all non down‐draught carburettors fitted with a drip tray? R Check for the presence of a non down‐draught type carburettor. If present, check for the presence of a drip tray. Non down‐draught carburettors must be provided with a drip tray. Applicability – certain down‐draught carburettors may also be capable of overflowing. Examiners concerned that a particular down‐draught carburettor may be of an overflowing type should contact the BSS Office for verification. 2.14.2 Is the carburettor drip tray in good condition, free of signs of leaks, and easily emptied? R Check the condition of any carburettor drip tray. Check that it is removable or fitted with an emptying cock. Carburettor drip trays must be removable or fitted with an emptying cock, and must be free of signs of leaks, signs of damage or deterioration. 2.14.3 Is the carburettor drip tray fitted with effective flame arresting gauze permanently attached along all edges? R Check the carburettor drip tray gauze for effectiveness by comparing it with a sample of gauze of the correct mesh. Check the condition of the gauze and the method of attachment to the tray. Carburettor drip tray gauze must have a mesh of at least 11 wires per linear cm (28 wires per inch). Gauze must be complete and free of restrictions, damage, and must be permanently and continuously attached to the tray along all edges. 2.14.4 Is a petrol, petroil or paraffin engine fitted with flame trap or air filter? R Identify the air intake of petrol, petroil and paraffin engines and look for the presence of a flame trap or air filter. Check the flame trap or air filter for condition and completeness where they can be seen. Petrol, petroil and paraffin engines must have a flame trap or air filter fitted to the air intake. Flame traps and air filters must show no signs of damage or deterioration, or obviously missing sections or components. Applicability – there is no requirement for examiners to dismantle the air filter to determine the nature of the filter element
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:15:15 GMT
I sold my boat with the Evinrude 20hp two years ago, and yes, I frequently changed the gear oil on a warm day when it was nice and runny. The man who bought it (for 2,000 Euros) got a good boat, well looked after. It's dead easy to change the gearcase oil in an outboard, two plugs and it all pours out, and then you screw the pipe in and pump new hypoid oil in again. Now try that on a cruiser in the water - I bet you can't Well... yeah... but our boat came out of the water every time and sat on the trailer until next time. But those days are gone for us. I have mentioned here once or twice, that if any TBers are interested in boating (!) then buying a small boat and having a zoom around the lakes in Finland would make a great holiday. There are literally thousands of small islands to camp on. For our younger members: paijanne.blogspot.com/veneilya.blogspot.com/2011/05/2252011-jyvaskyla-jamsa-jyvaskyla.html
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:18:46 GMT
Are passengers allowed to smoke at petrol stations: a/ with the windows down? b/ with the windows up? Can I vape while I fill up my motorbike? If there's a strong wind blowing petrol fumes from the forecourt on to the pavement nearby: a/ are pedestrians allowed to use phones? b/ are pedestrians allowed to smoke? c/ are pedestrians allowed to vape? no one should be smoking in a hazzardous zone full stop. I'm guessing it's wise to stay well away from petrol stations during a thunderstorm with lightning. Do they send the staff home then, just in case...?
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 19:21:12 GMT
Throw the darned fridge in the canal, Ellis. I just don't understand how you're getting through so much electricity. It's Winter - fridge stuff in the cratch, it really is that simple. And get rid of your telly, another electricity-waster. Just buy books from charity shops. It's 2019.... we have laptops, mobile phones, Netflix, central heating to run and a freezer full of food - "doing without" is not an option for Andy and I have no intention of clampeting around outside with stuff that lives in the fridge to save a few amps... just cause we live on a boat doesn't mean we WANT to get away from the world... it would just be easier to be plugged through the darkest days when the solar panels are doing feck all. I've refined my techniques since this shot... but Lehman's fancy press ain't got nothin' on good old Yankee ingenuity and Appalachian-American cheap. And no, there isn't anything that I can't do with kitty litter buckets. I consider them my most important farming tool. And yes, The Big Man was horrified at me "Clampet-ing" up the time honored craft of cheese making. adventuresinthegoodland.blogspot.com/2010/09/cutting-cheesecurds.html
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Post by Jim on Jan 22, 2019 20:05:42 GMT
Have you ever heard a fox go WOOF! Just watch him fill his outboard while it's running...... From a safe distance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 20:44:05 GMT
They do some very lovely boats called Fiskari in finland. Real beautiful craft. Like this (random Google image fromm nettivene website) I know its wood but I think there are GRP ones. These are some of the most beautiful boats I have ever seen pictures of. Just stunning. almost makes me want a wooden boat. I'm just glad they are so far away making buying one awkward. Lovely items. Another one The lines are just wicked.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2019 20:58:27 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Jan 22, 2019 21:14:03 GMT
no one should be smoking in a hazzardous zone full stop. I'm guessing it's wise to stay well away from petrol stations during a thunderstorm with lightning. Do they send the staff home then, just in case...? to be honest it doesent matter what actions cause what ever consequences. I'm only intrested in not losing our licence. and the safety of my colleagues and customers. to be honest I don't know if incidents are rare because it would be difficult to set a petrol station on fire or if that risks are kept to such a minimum.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 22, 2019 21:19:44 GMT
I'm guessing it's wise to stay well away from petrol stations during a thunderstorm with lightning. Do they send the staff home then, just in case...? to be honest it doesent matter what actions cause what ever consequences. I'm only intrested in not losing our licence. and the safety of my colleagues and customers. to be honest I don't know if incidents are rare because it would be difficult to set a petrol station on fire or if that risks are kept to such a minimum. Surely in Summer there must be a fire risk from the sun's rays bouncing off your head?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jan 23, 2019 0:02:40 GMT
Are passengers allowed to smoke at petrol stations: a/ with the windows down? b/ with the windows up? Can I vape while I fill up my motorbike? If there's a strong wind blowing petrol fumes from the forecourt on to the pavement nearby: a/ are pedestrians allowed to use phones? b/ are pedestrians allowed to smoke? c/ are pedestrians allowed to vape? no one should be smoking in a hazzardous zone full stop. we have a bus stop 3 metres from a pump. I have no powers what so ever to demand someone of the premises to do anything. , however they are not deemed a hazardous zone. it is highly unlikely in the open air especially if the wind has dispersed them, that fumes would be an issue unless directly next to the source. however government legislation has to be listened to and rules must be adhered to however illogical they may seem. and no I wouldent allow you to vape whilst filling up, however if we don't see it were not going to stop it. My post was mainly in jest but it does make the point that however many rules you have they can never be so exhaustive as to do away with the risk. Also, we sometimes seem to add silly rules 'because we can', the banning of using mobile phones at petrol stations is an obvious example. Any fool must realise that starting a car engine, all those amps suddenly flowing, very close to a potential spillage giving off lovely petrol fumes, constitutes a far higher risk than someone holding a mobile phone to their ear several feet above it. We can't ban starting cars though, otherwise we'd have to close petrol stations. So instead, let's ban mobile phones, a totally pointless measure but let's do it anyway, because we just love banning people from doing things. As for vaping when filling up my bike, I don't. There are no signs up saying 'no vaping' but I'm sure the little Hitlers working at petrol stations would take it upon themselves to instigate a new rule, and blast out a reprimand on their scary public address systems. So instead I do what I do in doctor's waiting rooms, aircraft and the like, and go into stealth mode.
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Post by Jim on Jan 23, 2019 7:25:37 GMT
I was filling the fuel tank of a genny at a garage. I was told to stop because it wasn't a dedicated fuel container!
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Post by patty on Jan 23, 2019 7:53:03 GMT
I missed the bit on the licence application that said I had to ask foxy's permission for anything In a former life I saw a guy pour petrol over himself and threaten to light a cig lighter held in his hand, if anyone approached. He demanded his ex girlfriend be brought to him. Of course, as soon as she appeared he sparked the lighter. It didn't light ... but he did. You would not believe the explosion and scorch marks on the tarmac for 20 yards around him. We got wet blankets on him very quickly ... but petrol fumes are wicked. Rog thats horrible and a sight i suspect you never really un see
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 8:17:58 GMT
I think the mobile phone ban was to do with attention. Someone nattering away on a phone is less likely to notice if there is some sort of spillage problem while refuelling.
For similar reasons mobile phone handset use while driving is subject to penalty if caught.
Stopping to refuel could be seen by some as an opportunity to make that quick call you were unable to make or post on a forum while driving so in theory you could end up with everyone at the fuel pumps using their phones precisely because they are not allowed to when driving.
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