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Post by peterboat on Jul 27, 2016 16:21:44 GMT
I would have thought that in this case they had an old knackered boat and the id was just changed over along with name and a paint over if they were keeping it job done I would think
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 27, 2016 16:31:38 GMT
I would have thought that in this case they had an old knackered boat and the id was just changed over along with name and a paint over if they were keeping it job done I would think Possibly I suppose. When I bought my boat, the first two things I did were to take photographs, literally hundreds of photographs, showing every angle of the boat and every tiny aspect of the interior, right down to hinges and screws, the position of the markings on the coolant pipes, the joints in the woodwork etc, and I also wrote the boat's name and registration number in several dozen hidden places using a permanent marker, so if anybody did ever steal it, it would be all but impossible for them to erase its identity. |
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Post by JohnV on Jul 27, 2016 17:12:08 GMT
what about boats coming from another system, or even from tidal waters ?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 28, 2016 13:18:33 GMT
I've just looked at the photos on that thread and I'm sure I've seen that boat recently, or at least one with a very similar stern, but I didn't take any great notice of it at the time and I can't remember where.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 14:26:47 GMT
Surely there's more to stealing a boat than just re-painting it though? What about registration for example, wouldn't CRT be a tad suspicious if you applied for a registration for a boat which was several years old? But I've thought about this, What checks do they do to ensure you are telling the truth about a boats age? Never having registered a 'new ' boat (or one that I've nicked and am claiming it's new) I genuinely don't know the answer. The boat will have been stamped with an identification number on the Hull,different builders do this at different locations and the last two digits tell the year of registration which is not necessarily the same as the year of manufacture. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 15:20:47 GMT
But I've thought about this, What checks do they do to ensure you are telling the truth about a boats age? Never having registered a 'new ' boat (or one that I've nicked and am claiming it's new) I genuinely don't know the answer. The boat will have been stamped with an identification number on the Hull,different builders do this at different locations and the last two digits tell the year of registration which is not necessarily the same as the year of manufacture. Just make one up? Does anybody verify it or check it in any way? |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 28, 2016 15:54:52 GMT
Looking at the thread on CWDF, it seems the licence plates have been found by bridge 30 at Hartshill. I'm slowly going anti-clockwise on the Leicester Ring and I'm at Nuneaton now so this boat almost certainly did come past me at some stage. I'm sure I've seen it, I just can't remember where or when.
It seems a very amateurish theft if the thief dumped the licence plates on the bank where they were quickly found by another boater. It wouldn't take too much effort to put them in with other general rubbish and dump the lot in a CRT Biffa bin.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 15:56:32 GMT
The boat will have been stamped with an identification number on the Hull,different builders do this at different locations and the last two digits tell the year of registration which is not necessarily the same as the year of manufacture. Just make one up? Does anybody verify it or check it in any way? They are usually put on with a welding torch,so they would have to be ground flush again and a new one put in its place. If you are asking if that can be done,then I would say most definitely yes.Your average young couple buying a boat for the first time would be totally ignorant. Boat sales rely on assumed Provenance as much as paperwork and of course asking the right questions.A genuine seller can tell you everything about his craft but even then it doesn't prove legal title and that the boat is unencumbered with Finance.I would find out the Builder,check the number with his records and go from there. As for verification and checking during the boats lifetime,a good BSC Examiner may make a note of it,ideally you would ensure he did, but noone else would. |
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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 16:03:15 GMT
Looking at the thread on CWDF, it seems the licence plates have been found by bridge 30 at Hartshill. I'm slowly going anti-clockwise on the Leicester Ring and I'm at Nuneaton now so this boat almost certainly did come past me at some stage. I'm sure I've seen it, I just can't remember where or when. It seems a very amateurish theft if the thief dumped the licence plates on the bank where they were quickly found by another boater. It wouldn't take too much effort to put them in with other general rubbish and dump the lot in a CRT Biffa bin. I feel it will probably be recovered with perhaps a can of Dulux lashed over it. It is very distinctive from the stern to be an ideal "ringer", the use of a key to steal it if true is also very strange, a screwdriver would generally suffice. Its a pity your memory has gone with that Special Brew "Alas poor Yorick,I knew him well"  P.s. thats shakespeare |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 28, 2016 16:11:49 GMT
Its a pity your memory has gone with that Special Brew "Alas poor Yorick,I knew him well" P.s. thats shakespeare Well it's more that at the time I wouldn't have realised that it was stolen, so it was just another of the dozens of boats I look at every day out of idle curiosity, and I didn't take any great notice of when I possibly saw it. I'm not even 100% convinced that I did, but when I looked at the pics, especially the one of the rather distinctive stern I had a sense of deja va, and my timings on this trip (I left Stretton Stop three weeks ago today) would fit in with having seen it. I suppose the irony here is that I very rarely look at CWDF since Lady Cassandra took over, and only did so because Martin posted the link. Had I seen the photos when they were first posted, then yes, I would have spotted it straight away, followed it and phoned the Police. |
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Post by ammodels on Jul 29, 2016 16:19:16 GMT
Its a pity your memory has gone with that Special Brew "Alas poor Yorick,I knew him well" P.s. thats shakespeare Well it's more that at the time I wouldn't have realised that it was stolen, so it was just another of the dozens of boats I look at every day out of idle curiosity, and I didn't take any great notice of when I possibly saw it. I'm not even 100% convinced that I did, but when I looked at the pics, especially the one of the rather distinctive stern I had a sense of deja va, and my timings on this trip (I left Stretton Stop three weeks ago today) would fit in with having seen it. I suppose the irony here is that I very rarely look at CWDF since Lady Cassandra took over, and only did so because Martin posted the link. Had I seen the photos when they were first posted, then yes, I would have spotted it straight away, followed it and phoned the Police. Do you mind posting where youve covered in your travels in a day... I can understand if you dont want to publicise where you are... but as you are in the general area of where this boat seems to have disappeared it might help rule out areas to check. I can then post updates on the cwdf thread for the owners? No worries if you dont want to. |
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Post by marni on Jul 29, 2016 16:42:16 GMT
the boat certainly seems to have vanished into thin air.Half the canal network is looking for it .
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 29, 2016 16:54:25 GMT
Well it's more that at the time I wouldn't have realised that it was stolen, so it was just another of the dozens of boats I look at every day out of idle curiosity, and I didn't take any great notice of when I possibly saw it. I'm not even 100% convinced that I did, but when I looked at the pics, especially the one of the rather distinctive stern I had a sense of deja va, and my timings on this trip (I left Stretton Stop three weeks ago today) would fit in with having seen it. I suppose the irony here is that I very rarely look at CWDF since Lady Cassandra took over, and only did so because Martin posted the link. Had I seen the photos when they were first posted, then yes, I would have spotted it straight away, followed it and phoned the Police. Do you mind posting where youve covered in your travels in a day... I can understand if you dont want to publicise where you are... but as you are in the general area of where this boat seems to have disappeared it might help rule out areas to check. I can then post updates on the cwdf thread for the owners? No worries if you dont want to. From the date of CRT logging the boat, it seems unlikely that I did see it. However I left Stretton Stop on 7th July travelling anti clockwise on the Leicester Ring via the Welford arm and the MH Arm and I'm currently about halfway along the Ashby Canal. I'm looing out for it although I understand the Ahby has already been covered by CW boaters without spotting it. I can be more exact with dates if you think it would be helpful? |
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Post by ammodels on Jul 29, 2016 17:15:36 GMT
Do you mind posting where youve covered in your travels in a day... I can understand if you dont want to publicise where you are... but as you are in the general area of where this boat seems to have disappeared it might help rule out areas to check. I can then post updates on the cwdf thread for the owners? No worries if you dont want to. From the date of CRT logging the boat, it seems unlikely that I did see it. However I left Stretton Stop on 7th July travelling anti clockwise on the Leicester Ring via the Welford arm and the MH Arm and I'm currently about halfway along the Ashby Canal. I'm looing out for it although I understand the Ahby has already been covered by CW boaters without spotting it. I can be more exact with dates if you think it would be helpful? If we just did from when you were aware of it and actively looking? I think people have done the Ashby but it could have snuck past at some point? Whoever has it must realise it is now too hot to handle and be looking to abandon or has already sold it on maybe? |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 29, 2016 17:20:53 GMT
I only became aware of the thread the day after Martin posted the link as I don't generally visit CWDF, at the time I was at Atherstone bottom lock and had taken two days to get there from Fradley.
Seems strange that nobody has made a definite sighting of it but I understand from a recent CWDF post that there may be slightly more to the story than first meets the eye?
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