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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:01:54 GMT
It's a good advert for Mercia, "come and moor in our marina have your boat stolen and we won't even notice. " It's a very big marina, I think probably the biggest in the UK if not close to it. Boats are coming and going all the time including visitors. There is security fencing around the pontoon areas and access through the gates requires an electronic tag. Its about as secure as they get. Unless you get into a situation where boats have to be signed in and out at the marina office I am not sure what else they can do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:10:01 GMT
Now call me a Twat if you want to Tomsk, and I know you will (but I don't give a shit). But being an avid fan of Doyles' SH, and conspiracy theories. What nobody has mentioned from the start is............ Is this missing boat (With no Name), a potential insurance fraud in the making? ? Yank "Me Cock" On The Cut, comes online on the other channel, declaring the boat is missing from his marina. Then the alleged owners come along telling us it’s a distinctive Stenson with a particular stern, with this window pattern, and this and that. There's no CCTV footage. There's not even a precise date of when it was allegedly nicked. Some plates have been found, but not conclusive if they’d been dumped or placed, to lay people off the trail. Half the feckin’ nation is now involved looking for this boat, on a “not that a big canal network”, and it’s nowhere to be seen……………………………Kaaput.............Disappeared!!!!! Could this feasibly, even remotely be an attempt, to defraud an insurance company out of coughing up an estimated 80+ grand? Only a thought, after a pint or more of Beast. Stumpy p.s....This is the only place this idea has been posted. Well I wont call you a twat but I do think you are incorrect. Whilst of course anything is theoretically possible I think it extremely unlikely that Robert would involve himself in such a fraud. It would ruin his and the marina's reputation for one thing and of course have much more serious consequences. How about the possibility the boats has simply been nicked, now there's a concept.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2016 8:19:11 GMT
The only legitimate reason I can think of for this boat to have been taken due to legal proceedings would be as a result of some sort of repossession due to a default on payments on a loan secured on the boat. If that was the case there is a proper legal process to follow to be able to do that. You can't just rock up and take the boat. I'm sure that if payments have been defaulted on (and I'm not saying they have been) then there is no legal process to follow, it would seem to me to be similar to an HP company snatching back a car purchased on credit? Either way, the person who made that suggestion certainly does have some knowledge of the circumstances, rather than it being pure speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:21:43 GMT
www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=86179&p=1857590I thought this was a rather odd reply to the someone's speculation that there may have been some ongoing legal action between the owners and builder. I would have just said there wasn't any ongoing action and left it at that. As it reads, it doesn't seem to rule out some kind of action (albeit not for bad workmanship or unpaid debt). However, if the police know about it they would surely chase the builder up to rule out any motive like that. Which to me is just them telling the truth. Somebody who claims a 'bloke down the pub' who claims to be a former employee of the builder has disclosed to them that there is on going legal action between the owners and the builder. They have just confirmed this. This 'bloke down the pub' has said that it has been stolen as some sort of revenge against the owners by the builder. Which boat builder would do that, and thereby completely trash their reputation in one fell swoop. The only legitimate reason I can think of for this boat to have been taken due to legal proceedings would be as a result of some sort of repossession due to a default on payments on a loan secured on the boat. If that was the case there is a proper legal process to follow to be able to do that. You can't just rock up and take the boat. Besides the owners have said no bad debt is involved. Unless somebody can think of another plausible reason why the builder would take the boat as part of an on going legal dispute this just remains ridiculous conjecture. None of that changes the fact that there is a hole in their statement which is the only point I made. It seems someone else there has picked up on it too.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 30, 2016 8:23:27 GMT
I am taking it at face value as well Martin someone well organised nicked the boat. In the car world it had been going on for ever! Car goes into garage dodgy mechanic clones key months later steals car to order same thing here I suspect. Boat goes one way plates dropped on bank different direction, even as we speak boat is being painted different colour and has new/old ID added. Mercia marina is a lovely place I spent a couple of weeks there when I bought Joyce there security wise well maybe it could be better but then it become intrusive doesnt it? Anyway I hope the chap gets his boat back soon, but he might not get back what he lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:28:22 GMT
The only legitimate reason I can think of for this boat to have been taken due to legal proceedings would be as a result of some sort of repossession due to a default on payments on a loan secured on the boat. If that was the case there is a proper legal process to follow to be able to do that. You can't just rock up and take the boat. I'm sure that if payments have been defaulted on (and I'm not saying they have been) then there is no legal process to follow, it would seem to me to be similar to an HP company snatching back a car purchased on credit? Either way, the person who made that suggestion certainly does have some knowledge of the circumstances, rather than it being pure speculation. That was my thinking (or specualtion). I knew a professional car theif once. He has actually a gliding instructor. He was paid to snatch cars for HP companies. He told me it was a pretty risky occupation. Anyway, it is conceivable it was just stolen. Maybe as boaters, we simply can't believe how anyone could get away with it in this day and age and we are looking for alternative explanations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:30:03 GMT
The only legitimate reason I can think of for this boat to have been taken due to legal proceedings would be as a result of some sort of repossession due to a default on payments on a loan secured on the boat. If that was the case there is a proper legal process to follow to be able to do that. You can't just rock up and take the boat. I'm sure that if payments have been defaulted on (and I'm not saying they have been) then there is no legal process to follow, it would seem to me to be similar to an HP company snatching back a car purchased on credit? Either way, the person who made that suggestion certainly does have some knowledge of the circumstances, rather than it being pure speculation. That is not my understanding based on a loan secured on our boat. It's not HP.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:34:33 GMT
I'm sure that if payments have been defaulted on (and I'm not saying they have been) then there is no legal process to follow, it would seem to me to be similar to an HP company snatching back a car purchased on credit? Either way, the person who made that suggestion certainly does have some knowledge of the circumstances, rather than it being pure speculation. That was my thinking (or specualtion). I knew a professional car theif once. He has actually a gliding instructor. He was paid to snatch cars for HP companies. He told me it was a pretty risky occupation. Anyway, it is conceivable it was just stolen. Maybe as boaters, we simply can't believe how anyone could get away with it in this day and age and we are looking for alternative explanations. Based on a loan we had secured on our boat (A marine mortgage) I do not believe it can be treated in exactly the same way as a HP agreement.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2016 8:40:12 GMT
Either way, it might be a fruitful line of enquiry for Plod to have a chat with the poster on CWDF who first brought the allegation to light, to see if there is any further light they can shed on the case?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:40:43 GMT
That was my thinking (or specualtion). I knew a professional car theif once. He has actually a gliding instructor. He was paid to snatch cars for HP companies. He told me it was a pretty risky occupation. Anyway, it is conceivable it was just stolen. Maybe as boaters, we simply can't believe how anyone could get away with it in this day and age and we are looking for alternative explanations. Based on a loan we had secured on our boat (A marine mortgage) I do not believe it can be treated in exactly the same way as a HP agreement. Do you know what loan arrangement they had then (if any)? I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:40:50 GMT
I am taking it at face value as well Martin someone well organised nicked the boat. In the car world it had been going on for ever! Car goes into garage dodgy mechanic clones key months later steals car to order same thing here I suspect. Boat goes one way plates dropped on bank different direction, even as we speak boat is being painted different colour and has new/old ID added. Mercia marina is a lovely place I spent a couple of weeks there when I bought Joyce there security wise well maybe it could be better but then it become intrusive doesnt it? Anyway I hope the chap gets his boat back soon, but he might not get back what he lost. Perhaps people would like it to be like where we store the 'van. 24 hour manned security, Full CCTV coverage, electronic barriers requiring tags to get in and out and no 'vans can be taken off site unless they are signed out by the owners. Not my idea of a nice relaxing environment at all. The security there is much better than another marina we moored at were there was one access gate to the pontoons which boaters were forever leaving unlocked allowing unfettered access to all the moored boats. I fully expected to rock up there one day and find our boat missing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:42:26 GMT
Either way, it might be a fruitful line of enquiry for Plod to have a chat with the poster on CWDF who first brought the allegation to light, to see if there is any further light they can shed on the case? Then he should be talking to them, not bragging/claiming that he has some sort of 'inside track' on the theft on an internet forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 8:44:16 GMT
Based on a loan we had secured on our boat (A marine mortgage) I do not believe it can be treated in exactly the same way as a HP agreement. Do you know what loan arrangement they had then (if any)? I don't. Of course not. But hire purchase on a boat that cost that much - I doubt it very much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 9:00:14 GMT
Do you know what loan arrangement they had then (if any)? I don't. Of course not. But hire purchase on a boat that cost that much - I doubt it very much. Do you know what the maximum limit is for an HP loan and how much the boat cost (and how much cash deposit was used if any)? I don't. It's all speculation Martin, but there is no need to ridicule others for alternative speculation to your own (which you seem to be doing over there).
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Post by Graham on Jul 30, 2016 9:07:28 GMT
Quote from owners post on CWD "I am unsure how this Action we have brought against the builder has come to light, it certainly was not for shoddy workmanship, or for an unpaid debt on our part"
That says to me that the owner has started an action against the builder. Now that would not give the builder any rights to take the boat, rather it would stop him as any action on his part could destroy any defence be had against the action.
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