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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 19:50:45 GMT
I must take the opportunity to welcome CDS to the forum our newest member.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 19:52:48 GMT
What you on about ? I haven't Nicknorman down in that bracket assuming its his post your referring to ? Well, he did say "I have more sympathy for the refugees than for the lorry drivers". Having said that, we have actually met Nick out on the cut, and he seemed a perfectly reasonable bloke to us, so perhaps he just didn't think the comment through before posting it. Perhaps not his best post,but you don't half fuckin go on
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 19:55:59 GMT
He says blame the French,how can you possibly have a problem with that But seriously,I assume you don't want them here,what do you think the future will be for these people ? I ask in all sincerity because I haven't a clue
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 3, 2016 19:56:44 GMT
What you on about ? I haven't Nicknorman down in that bracket assuming its his post your referring to ? Well, he did say "I have more sympathy for the refugees than for the lorry drivers". Having said that, we have actually met Nick out on the cut, and he seemed a perfectly reasonable bloke to us, so perhaps he just didn't think the comment through before posting it. No, I did think it out carefully. I'd look at it another way - who would you rather be, the lorry driver or the migrant? I'd rather be the lorry driver. The whole situation is very difficult for both parties but I think it unhelpful to put all the blame on the migrants who have mostly ended up where they are out of desperation. The system and our clannish, selfish and belligerent nature as a species is mostly to blame. and yes I believe I am a perfectly reasonable bloke (but then I'm sure we all do!). I suggest you are "too close to the action" to take a dispassionate view on this particular matter.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 20:01:09 GMT
Well, he did say "I have more sympathy for the refugees than for the lorry drivers". Having said that, we have actually met Nick out on the cut, and he seemed a perfectly reasonable bloke to us, so perhaps he just didn't think the comment through before posting it. No, I did think it out carefully. I'd look at it another way - who would you rather be, the lorry driver or the migrant? I'd rather be the lorry driver. The whole situation is very difficult for both parties but I think it unhelpful to put all the blame on the migrants who have mostly ended up where they are out of desperation. The system and our clannish, selfish and belligerent nature as a species is mostly to blame. and yes I believe I am a perfectly reasonable bloke (but then I'm sure we all do!). I suggest you are "too close to the action" to take a dispassionate view on this particular matter. To close to the action ? on the Ashby ? he has packed the job in Nick. He is about as close to the action as you were to the raid on Bin Ladens compound
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 20:02:19 GMT
Didn't mjg come through Calais recently? What have you done to piss them off this time? No, incorrect.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 20:08:27 GMT
Didn't mjg come through Calais recently? What have you done to piss them off this time? No, incorrect. I thought you were in Wales,the Fox has been quiet today,I do hope he hasn't come a cropper regarding those washing lines filled with underwear he mentioned earlier.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 20:09:07 GMT
Well, he did say "I have more sympathy for the refugees than for the lorry drivers". Having said that, we have actually met Nick out on the cut, and he seemed a perfectly reasonable bloke to us, so perhaps he just didn't think the comment through before posting it. No, I did think it out carefully. I'd look at it another way - who would you rather be, the lorry driver or the migrant? Well, that is just nonsense on stilts. In the grand scheme of things I have next to nothing, but that wouldn't be sufficient reason to justify me burgling a wealthy man's house.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 3, 2016 20:12:38 GMT
No, I did think it out carefully. I'd look at it another way - who would you rather be, the lorry driver or the migrant? I'd rather be the lorry driver. The whole situation is very difficult for both parties but I think it unhelpful to put all the blame on the migrants who have mostly ended up where they are out of desperation. The system and our clannish, selfish and belligerent nature as a species is mostly to blame. and yes I believe I am a perfectly reasonable bloke (but then I'm sure we all do!). I suggest you are "too close to the action" to take a dispassionate view on this particular matter. To close to the action ? on the Ashby ? he has packed the job in Nick. He is about as close to the action as you were to the raid on Bin Ladens compound Ok but he has been close to the action!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 20:14:58 GMT
You do actually have to go to Calais to see the huge police presence in the town, and at Coquelles too.
You do have to ask (and yes I have said this previously) what these guys and gals are actually doing if they are seemingly unable to keep a safe passage to the port of Calais.
Their strategy seems to be reactive rather than proactive so rather than be on the spot for troubling erupting they seem to respond to it by which time a situation has escalated.
All that said I don't think shooting the refugees is really the answer, no sane person would.
What I would suggest though is that if wagon drivers really are intent on seeing that happen they should form vigilante groups, arm themselves and arrange to do it themselves, otherwise why expect somebody else (ie a French police officer) to gain a jail sentance for murder or unlawful killing if you aren't prepared to carry it through yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 20:17:44 GMT
I thought you were in Wales,the Fox has been quiet today,I do hope he hasn't come a cropper regarding those washing lines filled with underwear he mentioned earlier. I was, but since when has getting to Wales involved a channel crossing via. Calais. i think you need to bone up on your geography.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 3, 2016 20:17:54 GMT
No, I did think it out carefully. I'd look at it another way - who would you rather be, the lorry driver or the migrant? Well, that is just nonsense on stilts. In the grand scheme of things I have next to nothing, but that wouldn't be sufficient reason to justify me burgling a wealthy man's house. In the grand scheme of things you have riches beyond the wildest dreams of some of the migrants. You have enough food to eat, clean water to drink, shelter from the elements and feel safe and secure. if you were actually starving, cold, destitute and in fear of your life all through no fault of your own, then you would burgle the wealthy man's house if that was the only alternative to starving to death. Of course it would be better if the wealthy man offered you some food to keep you alive...
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 20:23:59 GMT
I thought you were in Wales,the Fox has been quiet today,I do hope he hasn't come a cropper regarding those washing lines filled with underwear he mentioned earlier. I was, but since when has getting to Wales involved a channel crossing via. Calais. i think you need to bone up on your geography. I was actually pointing out the Foxs Folly Martin in a gentle way
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 20:36:14 GMT
Well, that is just nonsense on stilts. In the grand scheme of things I have next to nothing, but that wouldn't be sufficient reason to justify me burgling a wealthy man's house. In the grand scheme of things you have riches beyond the wildest dreams of some of the migrants. You have enough food to eat, clean water to drink, shelter from the elements and feel safe and secure. if you were actually starving, cold, destitute and in fear of your life all through no fault of your own, then you would burgle the wealthy man's house if that was the only alternative to starving to death. Of course it would be better if the wealthy man offered you some food to keep you alive... I don't think they are starving,cold,destitute or in fear of their lives.As SS says they have passed through numerous countries all members of the EU and none at war or in turmoil to get to this point.
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Post by Graham on Aug 3, 2016 20:36:29 GMT
Maybe this is a bit of the refuges not following the rules and seeking asylum in the first country they come to, the French not insisting they register and providing what they need, the authorities, both British and French, not proving a secure passage for the ferry users.
We have already had two boats picked up on the south coast and now there is aggravation to increase the sea patrols in the channel.
Whatever way I look at it, it is a hell of a mess and I cannot see an easy end to it.
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