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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 21:06:37 GMT
If a Police officer shoots and kills somebody while they are at the point of hurling a wooden stake through a truck windscreen, then that does not come within a million miles of "murder". And this is what the French Police should be doing, except that they are only too pleased to get the problem away from Calais, they would hire fleets of coaches to get them to Dover rather than actually attempting to control the situation. If there was proven to be some planning to it or it was pre meditated in some way it would indeed be murder. if you are so sure that it wouldn't why wouldn't you want to do it (I presume as you haven't addressed that point you wouldn't be) You seem quite happy for sombody to get the conviction as long as it isn't you.
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Post by ammodels on Aug 3, 2016 21:09:21 GMT
If a Police officer shoots and kills somebody while they are at the point of hurling a wooden stake through a truck windscreen, then that does not come within a million miles of "murder". And this is what the French Police should be doing, except that they are only too pleased to get the problem away from Calais, they would hire fleets of coaches to get them to Dover rather than actually attempting to control the situation. If there was proven to be some planning to it or it was pre meditated in some way it would indeed be murder. Shoot to kill policy in Norn Iron back in the 80's? Just as an example of state mandated killing with premeditation and planning, regardless of threat to life.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 21:12:25 GMT
If there was proven to be some planning to it or it was pre meditated in some way it would indeed be murder. Shoot to kill policy in Norn Iron back in the 80's? Just as an example of state mandated killing with premeditation and planning, regardless of threat to life. Is the OP suggesting a shoot to kill policy ? I don't think he is. Is he suggesting the use of live ammunition or plastic rounds to establish order.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 21:14:09 GMT
I would suggest you Google "murder" to see what that word actually means. I don't need to google it. If a police officer shots somebody attacking a lorry and there is no immediate risk to the life of anybody including the driver they will likely be convicted of unlawfull killing or even that persons murder. And something like this wouldn't be an immediate risk to life? Had this been a right-hand-drive vehicle then the driver would have been killed instantly. You are sick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 21:14:41 GMT
Shoot to kill policy in Norn Iron back in the 80's? Just as an example of state mandated killing with premeditation and planning, regardless of threat to life. Is the OP suggesting a shoot to kill policy ? I don't think he is. Is he suggesting the use of live ammunition or plastic rounds to establish order. For goodness sake. of course he is, he suggested exactly the same the last time it kicked off in Calais.
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Post by Graham on Aug 3, 2016 21:16:34 GMT
With all due respect, that is like supporting lynching in Alabama in the 1920s over the rule of law. The Police are (ostensibly) there to protect citizens going about their lawful everyday business. I asked you before,what do you think will be the fate of these people ? What will happen could depend on Brexit and how that is achieved. But possibly the best result would be that the French forcibly register them. Then a I understand it those with proven relations in the UK could be allowed into Britain. It would depend on whether they were refugees or economic migrants which the French would have to either let stay or send back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 21:20:51 GMT
I don't need to google it. If a police officer shots somebody attacking a lorry and there is no immediate risk to the life of anybody including the driver they will likely be convicted of unlawfull killing or even that persons murder. And something like this wouldn't be an immediate risk to life? Had this been a right-hand-drive vehicle then the driver would have been killed instantly. You are sick. You aren't sick but I do think you are thick. Key to why you are thick is not to realise the difference between an actual risk to life and one where there would have been if the circumstances had been different but where no actual risk existed.
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Post by Graham on Aug 3, 2016 21:21:11 GMT
I don't need to google it. If a police officer shots somebody attacking a lorry and there is no immediate risk to the life of anybody including the driver they will likely be convicted of unlawfull killing or even that persons murder. And something like this wouldn't be an immediate risk to life? Had this been a right-hand-drive vehicle then the driver would have been killed instantly. You are sick. I would suggest that the police should use reasonable force to arrest the person. Unfortunately if the person is in the mood to do that what are they going to try and do to a police officer who tries to arrest them, suspect it could endup with a drawn fired weapon. Sad but I suspect it will happen
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 21:25:07 GMT
And something like this wouldn't be an immediate risk to life? Had this been a right-hand-drive vehicle then the driver would have been killed instantly. You are sick. I would suggest that the police should use reasonable force to arrest the person. Unfortunately if the person is in the mood to do that what are they going to try and do to a police officer who tries to arrest them, suspect it could endup with a drawn fired weapon. Sad but I suspect it will happen It would certainly warrant the use of a taser by way of a proportionate response. i am not sure if the French CRS deploy them though.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 21:26:53 GMT
You aren't sick but I do think you are thick. Key to why you are thick is not to realise the difference between an actual risk to life and one where there would have been if the circumstances had been different but where no actual risk existed. Well, fingers crossed that the staff at your NHS hospital have to deal with attacks like this soon, tell them not to expect any sympathy from me.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 3, 2016 21:33:08 GMT
What's needed to sort this problem is a strong leader with an approach based on logic and reason. A libertarian perhaps.
What we have is weak leaders dancing to the tune of modern liberal thinking, whose every step exacerbates the problem, rather than being progress towards a solution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 21:33:21 GMT
You aren't sick but I do think you are thick. Key to why you are thick is not to realise the difference between an actual risk to life and one where there would have been if the circumstances had been different but where no actual risk existed. Well, fingers crossed that the staff at your NHS hospital have to deal with attacks like this soon, tell them not to expect any sympathy from me. NHS staff are regularly subject to attacks some of them quite violent so I don't understand your point, I'm sure they will be absolutely gutted they don't have your sympathy or support simply because a retired NHS manager doesn't think it's a good idea to shoot refugees. (That is one the most stupid things you've posted for a while)
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 21:42:15 GMT
Don't you mean "a sacked NHS manager"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 21:45:19 GMT
Don't you mean "a sacked NHS manager"? No. you have said this before and you where as wrong then as you are now. Your EOD is kicking in again. but if that was true what difference would it make exactly? Would that suddenly make shooting refugees acceptable? if so how exactly?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 21:56:44 GMT
Don't you mean "a sacked NHS manager"? No. you have said this before and you where as wrong then as you are now. Your EOD is kicking in again. Apologies then, I was just going by a PM I was sent on CWDF.
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