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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 2, 2016 20:33:02 GMT
Why don't the French Police just shoot these animals?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 2, 2016 20:43:30 GMT
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Post by haulierp on Aug 2, 2016 21:09:30 GMT
Thanks for sharing that link,the comments say all there is to say,Economic Migrants in designer clothes. Thank God for Brexit,we want a massive Army recruitment campaign and station them at all points of entry,cut the Foreign Aid Budget to pay for it. |
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Post by Delta9 on Aug 2, 2016 21:36:40 GMT
I'm not sure how saying that they have decent phones and clothes makes them economic migrants instead of refugees. That is completely the wrong way round. Refugees are not necessarily poor. They are fleeing from somewhere with all their possessions. Economic migrants are more likely to be poor, heading off in search of money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 21:42:57 GMT
Why don't the French Police just shoot these animals? Quite simply because last time I checked summary execution for obstructing the highway, causing criminal damage and threatening behaviour is not allowed, even in France where the police are routinely armed. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 2, 2016 22:57:24 GMT
Didn't mjg come through Calais recently? What have you done to piss them off this time?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 18:26:29 GMT
Why don't the French Police just shoot these animals? Quite simply because last time I checked summary execution for obstructing the highway, causing criminal damage and threatening behaviour is not allowed, even in France where the police are routinely armed. Surely threatening somebody with a chainsaw is attempted murder? I can't imagine the NHS would tolerate their employees being subjected to the abuse that truck drivers are on the receiving end of at Calais on a near daily basis. |
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 3, 2016 18:48:03 GMT
Quite simply because last time I checked summary execution for obstructing the highway, causing criminal damage and threatening behaviour is not allowed, even in France where the police are routinely armed. Surely threatening somebody with a chainsaw is attempted murder? I can't imagine the NHS would tolerate their employees being subjected to the abuse that truck drivers are on the receiving end of at Calais on a near daily basis. No, threatening somebody with a chainsaw is not attempted murder. It is threatening behaviour. It is only attempted murder if they try pretty hard to cut your head off etc. Of course the drivers shouldn't have to be subject to the abuse. But then again the refugees shouldn't have to flee their country in fear of their lives. It isn't a fair world. Anyway whilst we can have some sympathy for the lorry drivers even though they all return to their cozy suburban homes after their trips, your case is substantially weakened by you comment about "shooting the animals" so on balance, I have more sympathy for the refugees than for the lorry drivers. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 19:02:13 GMT
Surely threatening somebody with a chainsaw is attempted murder? I can't imagine the NHS would tolerate their employees being subjected to the abuse that truck drivers are on the receiving end of at Calais on a near daily basis. No, threatening somebody with a chainsaw is not attempted murder. It is threatening behaviour. It is only attempted murder if they try pretty hard to cut your head off etc. Of course the drivers shouldn't have to be subject to the abuse. But then again the refugees shouldn't have to flee their country in fear of their lives. Seems strange that they did not find one single place between their country of origin and Calais where they were not "in fear of their lives", and that even France is a terrifying country that they are desperate to get away from, don't you think? |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 19:26:32 GMT
No, threatening somebody with a chainsaw is not attempted murder. It is threatening behaviour. It is only attempted murder if they try pretty hard to cut your head off etc. Of course the drivers shouldn't have to be subject to the abuse. But then again the refugees shouldn't have to flee their country in fear of their lives. Seems strange that they did not find one single place between their country of origin and Calais where they were not "in fear of their lives", and that even France is a terrifying country that they are desperate to get away from, don't you think? I don't know what you think is strange about it,in my opinion its a two pronged problem. The first is that Britain has a welfare system and an open society without parallel anywhere in the world and secondly the European Continent is happy to play pass the parcel with these people knowing full well they will eventually reach these shores because of that. |
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 3, 2016 19:30:42 GMT
No, threatening somebody with a chainsaw is not attempted murder. It is threatening behaviour. It is only attempted murder if they try pretty hard to cut your head off etc. Of course the drivers shouldn't have to be subject to the abuse. But then again the refugees shouldn't have to flee their country in fear of their lives. Seems strange that they did not find one single place between their country of origin and Calais where they were not "in fear of their lives", and that even France is a terrifying country that they are desperate to get away from, don't you think? Presumably because their choice is to get to the UK. But really, who is the worse off, those who are looking for a better life whether it be fleeing war or fleeing starvation and a life of near-destitution, or those who are well fed in good jobs with warm and safe homes who have to put up with some annoying hassle at work. as I said the drivers shouldn't have to put up with it but really you can't be too surprised at the migrants desperation. However I would agree that the authorities (police or whatever) should be maintaining law and order and giving adequate support to the drivers, something which as far as I can tell they don't. So my bottom line is to blame the French authorities, not the migrants. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 19:35:23 GMT
I guess there will always be a minority who align themselves more with violent criminals than with their victims.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 19:42:11 GMT
I guess there will always be a minority who align themselves more with violent criminals than with their victims. What you on about ? I haven't Nicknorman down in that bracket assuming its his post your referring to ? |
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 19:46:03 GMT
Seems strange that they did not find one single place between their country of origin and Calais where they were not "in fear of their lives", and that even France is a terrifying country that they are desperate to get away from, don't you think? Presumably because their choice is to get to the UK. But really, who is the worse off, those who are looking for a better life whether it be fleeing war or fleeing starvation and a life of near-destitution, or those who are well fed in good jobs with warm and safe homes who have to put up with some annoying hassle at work. as I said the drivers shouldn't have to put up with it but really you can't be too surprised at the migrants desperation. However I would agree that the authorities (police or whatever) should be maintaining law and order and giving adequate support to the drivers, something which as far as I can tell they don't. So my bottom line is to blame the French authorities, not the migrants. I agree with you conclusion,things have been allowed to get out of hand.It has always seemed to me that various governments go on these Military Adventures without a cohesive strategy to deal with the aftermath which is inevitably displaced peoples. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 19:48:06 GMT
I guess there will always be a minority who align themselves more with violent criminals than with their victims. What you on about ? I haven't Nicknorman down in that bracket assuming its his post your referring to ? Well, he did say "I have more sympathy for the refugees than for the lorry drivers". Having said that, we have actually met Nick out on the cut, and he seemed a perfectly reasonable bloke to us, so perhaps he just didn't think the comment through before posting it. |
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