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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 20:41:55 GMT
What I would suggest though is that if wagon drivers really are intent on seeing that happen they should form vigilante groups, arm themselves and arrange to do it themselves, otherwise why expect somebody else (ie a French police officer) to gain a jail sentance for murder or unlawful killing if you aren't prepared to carry it through yourself? With all due respect, that is like supporting lynching in Alabama in the 1920s over the rule of law. The Police are (ostensibly) there to protect citizens going about their lawful everyday business.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 20:47:12 GMT
What I would suggest though is that if wagon drivers really are intent on seeing that happen they should form vigilante groups, arm themselves and arrange to do it themselves, otherwise why expect somebody else (ie a French police officer) to gain a jail sentance for murder or unlawful killing if you aren't prepared to carry it through yourself? With all due respect, that is like supporting lynching in Alabama in the 1920s over the rule of law. The Police are (ostensibly) there to protect citizens going about their lawful everyday business. It was a good post till he came out with that,which in my opinion was Tongue in Cheek
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 20:48:14 GMT
What I would suggest though is that if wagon drivers really are intent on seeing that happen they should form vigilante groups, arm themselves and arrange to do it themselves, otherwise why expect somebody else (ie a French police officer) to gain a jail sentance for murder or unlawful killing if you aren't prepared to carry it through yourself? With all due respect, that is like supporting lynching in Alabama in the 1920s over the rule of law. The Police are (ostensibly) there to protect citizens going about their lawful everyday business. I asked you before,what do you think will be the fate of these people ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 20:48:54 GMT
What I would suggest though is that if wagon drivers really are intent on seeing that happen they should form vigilante groups, arm themselves and arrange to do it themselves, otherwise why expect somebody else (ie a French police officer) to gain a jail sentance for murder or unlawful killing if you aren't prepared to carry it through yourself? The Police are (ostensibly) there to protect citizens going about their lawful everyday business. Correct, however that doesn't extend to murdering people so if that is what you wish to see happen you need an alternative group who are willing to do it as the police certainly aren't going to start doing it. So if that is not going to happen either suggesting murdering them as a strategy for dealing with the problem is just pissing into the wind.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 20:51:13 GMT
The Police are (ostensibly) there to protect citizens going about their lawful everyday business. Correct, however that doesn't extend to murdering people so if that is what you wish to see happen you need an alternative group who are willing to do it as the police certainly aren't going to start doing it. So if that is not going to happen either suggesting murdering them as a strategy for dealing with the problem is just pissing into the wind. I would suggest you Google "murder" to see what that word actually means.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 20:55:45 GMT
Correct, however that doesn't extend to murdering people so if that is what you wish to see happen you need an alternative group who are willing to do it as the police certainly aren't going to start doing it. So if that is not going to happen either suggesting murdering them as a strategy for dealing with the problem is just pissing into the wind. I would suggest you Google "murder" to see what that word actually means. To be fair my recollection of your original post said shoot,it was Martin who brought murder into it.I took it that you were meaning plastic rounds to establish control,or have I got it wrong ?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 3, 2016 20:58:22 GMT
I would suggest you Google "murder" to see what that word actually means. To be fair my recollection of your original post said shoot,it was Martin who brought murder into it.I took it that you were meaning plastic rounds to establish control,or have I got it wrong ? When someone says "shoot the animals" I think most people would take that to mean with bullets, with the intention to seriously wound or kill, not to scare with plastic rounds.
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Post by ammodels on Aug 3, 2016 21:00:42 GMT
Yup have to agree the way it was written was to kill not warn or frighten the migrants.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 21:01:10 GMT
Correct, however that doesn't extend to murdering people so if that is what you wish to see happen you need an alternative group who are willing to do it as the police certainly aren't going to start doing it. So if that is not going to happen either suggesting murdering them as a strategy for dealing with the problem is just pissing into the wind. I would suggest you Google "murder" to see what that word actually means. I don't need to google it. If a police officer shots somebody attacking a lorry and there is no immediate risk to the life of anybody including the driver they will likely be convicted of unlawfull killing or even that persons murder.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 21:01:16 GMT
To be fair my recollection of your original post said shoot,it was Martin who brought murder into it.I took it that you were meaning plastic rounds to establish control,or have I got it wrong ? When someone says "shoot the animals" I think most people would take that to mean with bullets, with the intention to seriously wound or kill, not to scare with plastic rounds. Your nitpicking now Nick,he has only posted in those terms as its an emotional topic for him. To your credit you have already conceded he is too close to the issue.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 21:02:36 GMT
Yup have to agree the way it was written was to kill not warn or frighten the migrants. Your just jumping on the bandwagon
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 3, 2016 21:03:26 GMT
If a Police officer shoots and kills somebody while they are at the point of hurling a wooden stake through a truck windscreen, then that does not come within a million miles of "murder". And this is what the French Police should be doing, except that they are only too pleased to get the problem away from Calais, they would hire fleets of coaches to get them to Dover rather than actually attempting to control the situation.
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Post by ammodels on Aug 3, 2016 21:03:37 GMT
Yup have to agree the way it was written was to kill not warn or frighten the migrants. Your just jumping on the bandwagon At least I didnt attack it with a chainsaw.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 3, 2016 21:04:30 GMT
I would suggest you Google "murder" to see what that word actually means. I don't need to google it. If a police officer shots somebody attacking a lorry and there is no immediate risk to the life of anybody including the driver they will likely be convicted of unlawfull killing or even that persons murder. But there has been an immediate risk to life,the pictures, one with a stake driven through the window of a Truck supports this.
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Post by ammodels on Aug 3, 2016 21:05:56 GMT
If a Police officer shoots and kills somebody while they are at the point of hurling a wooden stake through a truck windscreen, then that does not come within a million miles of "murder". And this is what the French Police should be doing, except that they are only too pleased to get the problem away from Calais, they would hire fleets of coaches to get them to Dover rather than actually attempting to control the situation. It does beg the question if that same guy was hurling a stake through a truck window while shouting Alan Ayckbourn or whatever it is, would we be saying it was murder or a lawful shooting?
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