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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 13:23:18 GMT
Thanks a lot for that, I've requested to join. I hadn't even stopped to think that facebook has all sorts of useful info for boaters, as well as pictures of cakes and cats. Thanks for the offer Nemesis, I would rather use a person who had some sort of active connection to people on a forum like this, if possible. I've no idea if £1.5k is a fair price or a kings ransom, I pretty much plucked it out of the air, but if its not vastly different to the going rate then why not. Are you able to travel to the boat for installs? Also, do you do other types of jobs? Diesel CH installs etc?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 13:27:20 GMT
Theoretically, yes, I could travel. But...hint...I was taking the piss about the price...also I am not actually qualified for that kind of thing which I suspect you would have to be these days. I can follow the destructions pamphlet well enough.
EDIT given that the price for one of these things with all the 'optional' extras (which are not in fact optional) seems to total around £300.00 (ish) and that if someone up to speed with all the regs (which I can't say I am) and a bag of compression joints handily in the van was bidding for the job... my feeling is that if that person was asking more than £500 for the work then he is a massive piss-taker...based on an expectation that plumbers (who are mostly a bunch of piss-takers @ £50.00 an hour) could sort it in a day.
It would take me longer because I didn't have that bulkhead compression joint essential to the job and the nearest dealer is miles away etc...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 13:56:37 GMT
Theoretically, yes, I could travel. But...hint...I was taking the piss about the price...also I am not actually qualified for that kind of thing which I suspect you would have to be these days. I can follow the destructions pamphlet well enough. EDIT given that the price for one of these things with all the 'optional' extras (which are not in fact optional) seems to total around £300.00 (ish) and that if someone up to speed with all the regs (which I can't say I am) and a bag of compression joints handily in the van was bidding for the job... my feeling is that if that person was asking more than £500 for the work then he is a massive piss-taker...based on an expectation that plumbers (who are mostly a bunch of piss-takers @ £50.00 an hour) could sort it in a day. It would take me longer because I didn't have that bulkhead compression joint essential to the job and the nearest dealer is miles away etc... So you'd reckon about £500 for fitting, including the flue and all? Tbh if I fond out you dont have to be qualified to actually fit it, I'll have a go myself. I think at the very least you'd have to get it inspected by a gas safe person though, and they'll probably want a couple of hundred for the job. Are you allowed to fit diesel CH yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 14:12:29 GMT
As far as I know, yes. Incidentally if you get as far as going the DIY route, tell me and supposing you aren't in (say) Ripon at the time, I'll come and help.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 14:39:54 GMT
As far as I know, yes. Incidentally if you get as far as going the DIY route, tell me and supposing you aren't in (say) Ripon at the time, I'll come and help. Well you're a proper gent Mr Nemesis, and no mistake. I'm very likely to be somewhere in the Midlands as that's where almost all the boats are, but if you were so kind as to visit I would at least pay for your fuel costs, a good scoff in the local boozer, and as much beer as you can drink, dancing girls, etc.
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Post by Jim on Apr 20, 2020 15:09:18 GMT
AFAIK, if its a holiday boat you can fit gas yourself, I did. If its a permanent liveaboard it has to be a marine lpg gas safe fitter. So if the work is done while it's a holiday boat 😉 The issue then is testing it, buy an lpg manometer or, better still, a bubble tester, permanently fitted.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 20, 2020 15:18:41 GMT
AFAIK, if its a holiday boat you can fit gas yourself, I did. If its a permanent liveaboard it has to be a marine lpg gas safe fitter. So if the work is done while it's a holiday boat 😉 The issue then is testing it, buy an lpg manometer or, better still, a bubble tester, permanently fitted. Correct. Personally I wouldn’t bother with a bubble tester, and a manometer is much cheaper! Well I say correct, actually the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulation 1998 (aka GSIUR) relates mostly to stuff done commercially. If you are working on your own house, residential boat etc then you just have to be “competent”. If anything went badly wrong, clearly you weren’t competent and a nice jail cell would await. The dispensation for private leisure boats is in section 2 (5) (c)
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Post by Jim on Apr 20, 2020 15:24:16 GMT
AFAIK, if its a holiday boat you can fit gas yourself, I did. If its a permanent liveaboard it has to be a marine lpg gas safe fitter. So if the work is done while it's a holiday boat 😉 The issue then is testing it, buy an lpg manometer or, better still, a bubble tester, permanently fitted. Correct. Personally I wouldn’t bother with a bubble tester, and a manometer is much cheaper! Well I say correct, actually the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulation 1998 (aka GSIUR) relates mostly to stuff done commercially. If you are working on your own house, residential boat etc then you just have to be “competent”. If anything went badly wrong, clearly you weren’t competent and a nice jail cell would await. The dispensation for private leisure boats is in section 2 (5) (c) I used a natural gas manometer, cheaper. Lpg circa £35,they are bigger. I got the bubble tester for about £45, a little while back. The bss guy was over the moon, didn't have to get his manometer out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 15:47:50 GMT
AFAIK, if its a holiday boat you can fit gas yourself, I did. If its a permanent liveaboard it has to be a marine lpg gas safe fitter. So if the work is done while it's a holiday boat 😉 The issue then is testing it, buy an lpg manometer or, better still, a bubble tester, permanently fitted. Correct. Personally I wouldn’t bother with a bubble tester, and a manometer is much cheaper! Well I say correct, actually the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulation 1998 (aka GSIUR) relates mostly to stuff done commercially. If you are working on your own house, residential boat etc then you just have to be “competent”. If anything went badly wrong, clearly you weren’t competent and a nice jail cell would await. The dispensation for private leisure boats is in section 2 (5) (c) I could tell them I felt very competent at the time of the installation....? But I wouldn't try the old wheeze of 'well cor blimey guvnor, I swear it was a bloomin holiday boat well I did the install' Every time I try something even marginally illegal I get hauled over the coals like a Colombian drug baron, so I never dare these days Its got to be 100% legit
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 15:58:00 GMT
Comparison with drug barons may not be that appropriate.
Spilling state secrets here but let's just say that a lot of drug barons get away with it.
You occasionally get one who gets picked up but that's usually because they have irritated the boss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 16:12:39 GMT
AFAIK, if its a holiday boat you can fit gas yourself, I did. If its a permanent liveaboard it has to be a marine lpg gas safe fitter. So if the work is done while it's a holiday boat 😉 The issue then is testing it, buy an lpg manometer or, better still, a bubble tester, permanently fitted. Correct. Personally I wouldn’t bother with a bubble tester, and a manometer is much cheaper! Well I say correct, actually the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulation 1998 (aka GSIUR) relates mostly to stuff done commercially. If you are working on your own house, residential boat etc then you just have to be “competent”. If anything went badly wrong, clearly you weren’t competent and a nice jail cell would await. The dispensation for private leisure boats is in section 2 (5) (c) Telemachus, I have been led to believe a bubble tester is good because you can more easily monitor the system 'on the fly'. Why do you prefer a manometer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 16:29:07 GMT
Why do you prefer a manometer? You obviously don't know Telemachus very well
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 20, 2020 16:44:49 GMT
Correct. Personally I wouldn’t bother with a bubble tester, and a manometer is much cheaper! Well I say correct, actually the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulation 1998 (aka GSIUR) relates mostly to stuff done commercially. If you are working on your own house, residential boat etc then you just have to be “competent”. If anything went badly wrong, clearly you weren’t competent and a nice jail cell would await. The dispensation for private leisure boats is in section 2 (5) (c) Telemachus, I have been led to believe a bubble tester is good because you can more easily monitor the system 'on the fly'. Why do you prefer a manometer? Issues with bubble testers: When used according to manufacturer’s instructions they are not particularly sensitive - a manometer is better They are located in the gas locker meaning that to take the reading, you typically have to be head down inside the locker with a torch. And out in the rain/snow/wind If you are not careful you can end up with a bubble tester that can’t satisfactorily pass the maximum gas flow demanded. Creates extra fittings that could leak (albeit within the gas locker, so not much of a safety hazard) But anyway, why the need to check for leaks frequently? If you have a properly installed system it isn’t suddenly going to spring a leak and even if it does, unless you do bubble tests every day, there is going to be a period when it’s leaking before the test shows it. But in reality, it doesn’t leak so what’s the point? We leave our gas on 24/7 and we have it checked every 4 years. It doesn’t leak. If you are on a residential boat you need to check that the BSS bod has the gas safe rating for the manometer check, but those who do seem to charge no more than those who don’t, and to be honest I’d rather have someone tinkering with my boat who knows what they are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 17:07:20 GMT
As far as I know, yes. Incidentally if you get as far as going the DIY route, tell me and supposing you aren't in (say) Ripon at the time, I'll come and help. Well you're a proper gent Mr Nemesis, and no mistake. I'm very likely to be somewhere in the Midlands as that's where almost all the boats are, but if you were so kind as to visit I would at least pay for your fuel costs, a good scoff in the local boozer, and as much beer as you can drink, dancing girls, etc. Anyway, just glanced through the manufacturer destructions for one model of heater and also the BSS rules for t'proffesionals and it looks to be a piece of cake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 17:12:11 GMT
I've lived on a variety of different boats since the mid nineties as my only residence all of the boats had gas systems. Always leave the gas on all the time and never had any problems at all.
I think people overdo the who danger of gas on boats thing. At the end of the day you have to be doing something quite unusual or obviously unwise to get into trouble.
Good ventilation is always useful.
Famous last....BANG!
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