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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 17:15:12 GMT
I always turned it off at the bottle when I went anywhere. Call me paranoid.
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 20, 2020 17:15:32 GMT
Does your African man servant on your Monaco based super-yacht still use gas for cooking your banquets?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 17:15:37 GMT
You are paranoid.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 20, 2020 17:16:57 GMT
Correct. Personally I wouldn’t bother with a bubble tester, and a manometer is much cheaper! Well I say correct, actually the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulation 1998 (aka GSIUR) relates mostly to stuff done commercially. If you are working on your own house, residential boat etc then you just have to be “competent”. If anything went badly wrong, clearly you weren’t competent and a nice jail cell would await. The dispensation for private leisure boats is in section 2 (5) (c) Telemachus, I have been led to believe a bubble tester is good because you can more easily monitor the system 'on the fly'. Why do you prefer a manometer? A bubble tester is good because your BSS inspector doesn't have to be gas-safe registered or whatever it is to test your gas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
Does your African man servant on your Monaco based super-yacht still use gas for cooking your banquets? He's not a man, he is a boy. Awfully difficult to get the adults these days as most of them go for the pirate jobs which we pay them more for. And yes I do have several gas based cooking systems on the Benetti.
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 20, 2020 17:18:08 GMT
Telemachus, I have been led to believe a bubble tester is good because you can more easily monitor the system 'on the fly'. Why do you prefer a manometer? A bubble tester is good because your BSS inspector doesn't have to be gas-safe registered or whatever it is to test your gas. Yet can still charge as if he is!🙄
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 17:38:52 GMT
Well you're a proper gent Mr Nemesis, and no mistake. I'm very likely to be somewhere in the Midlands as that's where almost all the boats are, but if you were so kind as to visit I would at least pay for your fuel costs, a good scoff in the local boozer, and as much beer as you can drink, dancing girls, etc. Anyway, just glanced through the manufacturer destructions for one model of heater and also the BSS rules for t'proffesionals and it looks to be a piece of cake. Thats great news. I'm coming round to the idea of temporarily declaring it a holiday boat. What evidence might BSS inspectors want, to prove it was a holiday boat when it was fitted? Would that be your insurance cert maybe? Or does it go on your CRT license? I dont know how to do the gas pipe welding etc, so not much chance of me doing it safely. This isnt something I'd try to pick from a youtube tutorial, as I normally do!
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 20, 2020 18:15:08 GMT
Anyway, just glanced through the manufacturer destructions for one model of heater and also the BSS rules for t'proffesionals and it looks to be a piece of cake. Thats great news. I'm coming round to the idea of temporarily declaring it a holiday boat. What evidence might BSS inspectors want, to prove it was a holiday boat when it was fitted? Would that be your insurance cert maybe? Or does it go on your CRT license? I dont know how to do the gas pipe welding etc, so not much chance of me doing it safely. This isnt something I'd try to pick from a youtube tutorial, as I normally do! Evidence of holiday or live aboard? Mine asked me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 18:25:22 GMT
I think an astute BS inspector can fairly quickly work it out.
Whenever I have been asked if I live on the boat I just say "No, I live on another much bigger boat".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 18:31:21 GMT
Non liveaboard here - can't be boat moored on a non-residential mooring...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 18:52:38 GMT
Non liveaboard here - can't be boat moored on a non-residential mooring... Thanks Black Sheep, can I just check something- can the BSS inspector not do the inspection on any random towpath location? How about if I stick the boat in a marina for a few days? It sounds as if no proof is going to be asked for regarding it being a holiday or residential boat, and that means I dont need a high-price gas-safe guy to install a Morco. Also, if a bubble tester is installed (which it will be already if the boat has a gas cooker), the you dont need a gas safe guy to check your gas install. Jesus H, who knew it was this complicated...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 19:10:45 GMT
Non liveaboard here - can't be boat moored on a non-residential mooring... Thanks Black Sheep, can I just check something- can the BSS inspector not do the inspection on any random towpath location? How about if I stick the boat in a marina for a few days? It sounds as if no proof is going to be asked for regarding it being a holiday or residential boat, and that means I dont need a high-price gas-safe guy to install a Morco. Also, if a bubble tester is installed (which it will be already if the boat has a gas cooker), the you dont need a gas safe guy to check your gas install. Jesus H, who knew it was this complicated... Since there are more BSS testers than you can shake a stick at, if you encounter one who will only meet at a marina then thank him politely and move on to the next. Also, ask if, should the boat fail, is there a further charge for a re-test once rectifications have been carried out. Some charge, some don't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 19:11:52 GMT
I don't really understand where this whole bubble tester thing came in.
Some people seem to think you need to have one when in fact you don't. Why did this happen? It's a bit odd and there must be a reason for this mistaken belief.
As mentioned earlier on in the thread they are quite impractical to use and introduce extra unions into the gas line. The general idea is to reduce the number of unions or joints as they introduce potential leakage points.
I wonder if it might have come across to boats from another area like caravans.
Ironic if it did because gas safety in boats is in an entirely different league to caravans.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 20, 2020 19:14:39 GMT
Non liveaboard here - can't be boat moored on a non-residential mooring... Thanks Black Sheep, can I just check something- can the BSS inspector not do the inspection on any random towpath location? How about if I stick the boat in a marina for a few days? It sounds as if no proof is going to be asked for regarding it being a holiday or residential boat, and that means I dont need a high-price gas-safe guy to install a Morco. Also, if a bubble tester is installed (which it will be already if the boat has a gas cooker), the you dont need a gas safe guy to check your gas install. Jesus H, who knew it was this complicated... I discussed this with our BSS chappie who is fairly sensible. He said that usually, it was obvious whether a boat was live aboard or not, by the general look of the thing / amount of clutter and possessions. Not that it mattered to him as he was gas safe registered. Anyway, this issue arises when you have the BSS done. What happens before that is only known to you. It would only ever be a problem if there was a disaster. But since you are talking about “gas pipe welding” I think it would be best if you got a professional in! But to answer your question you can have a BSS done anywhere, with the agreement of the examiner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 19:15:34 GMT
Let's not mention the old Swan vestas gas leak detector at this point.
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