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Post by Jim on May 1, 2020 14:33:02 GMT
Just go and sit in the dunes where no one else can see you.
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Post by JohnV on May 1, 2020 14:44:07 GMT
How about if you are local to Brighton yet get a fine for sitting on an empty beach? The rule re not sitting on beaches or in parks except for a brief rest whilst exercising, is clear enough to me and, judging by the reported support for the lockdown, 2/3rds of the population. But then it is not about sitting on a public beach in splendid isolation is it? It is about if one gets away with it 100s will follow and that will destroy the reason the lockdown was put in place. Inconvenient, yes. Frustrating, yes. Necessary, very much so in my books. If it helps save lives I'm in. I have come to the conclusion that Ross is a twat without the ability to see beyond the immediate picture. It has been pointed out repeatedly that failure of the lockdown to be applied as fairly as possible would guarantee it's failure. Not that anyone with a grain of common sense could fail to see that. He keeps comparing his situation in a sparsely populated sub arctic area with the UK and seems completely oblivious to the difference. I find it deeply regrettable that I have had to block a member of Thunderboat, someone whom I liked very much as a person in the real world. I found his continuing stream of posts ....... almost a propaganda stream of posts, coming from someone who does not seem to understand that the situation here is different and a society is something that is dependent on it's members accepting the fact that sometimes their own behavior has to adapt to the needs of all. A selfish act of sitting on a bench, enjoying a view when this is not possible for the majority, is the act of spitting in the face of those who are doing their best. Many under far more restrictive conditions. Yes they should be fined, not because they are breaking a law but because they are selfishly insulting those who are doing everything in their power to help.
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Post by lollygagger on May 1, 2020 16:15:23 GMT
Hmm, sat in Tesco car park it's as busy as before the lockdown. I think people have had enough sitting around - it does your heed in after a while. Two weeks ago...barely a car here, really, 4 or 5 but today about 200.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 16:38:41 GMT
Hmm, sat in Tesco car park it's as busy as before the lockdown. I think people have had enough sitting around - it does your heed in after a while. Two weeks ago...barely a car here, really, 4 or 5 but today about 200. Its Friday after payday always busy then.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 16:47:14 GMT
People going shopping complaining about other people going shopping Rog
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Post by lollygagger on May 1, 2020 16:51:39 GMT
People going shopping complaining about other people going shopping Rog Merely commenting on the hugely increased numbers out and about. The roads are busy, barely anyone in the car park is actually in Tesco, there is a 2-3 person queue - they're at the takeaways and other shops which appear to be all back in business. It really is like back to normal.
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Post by Boaty on May 1, 2020 16:53:00 GMT
The rule re not sitting on beaches or in parks except for a brief rest whilst exercising, is clear enough to me and, judging by the reported support for the lockdown, 2/3rds of the population. But then it is not about sitting on a public beach in splendid isolation is it? It is about if one gets away with it Inconvenient, yes. Frustrating, yes. Necessary, very much so in my books. If it helps save lives I'm in. You said this earlier: "If you are local to the Pennines then going there for your daily exercise is already permitted" - does that not insinuate that: "100s will follow and that will destroy the reason the lockdown was put in place." Eh? The exercise period is limited, it is not open ended. If crowds did descend (unlikely) then they would just be broken up as they were in Wales. If the lockdown did not exist there would be no power to break up those crowds. But people are not going to be fined if they are local to the area and are taking their daily exercise on the Penines whilst adhering to social distancing. If you are happy with that then you have no problems. People are going to be breaking the rules if they sit on beaches having a beer or come from miles away to enjoy the scenery. I agree with you that the rules have become very complicated, unnecessarily so in my view. B&Q opening (with Wicks and Homebase to follow) is hardly going to keep the traffic down and most of what they sell is non-essential anyway. Lining up outside Tesco for food is one thing, lining up outside B&Q for a pot of paint is completely different. Lining up outside both is just plain stupid imo and would probably turn the morning shop into a days excursion.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 17:05:37 GMT
Sorry it wasn't aimed directly at you lollygagger. We have noticed on our weekly shopping trips that peoples natural caution is easing. For the first time the other day I saw people taking their kids shopping ... one lady in a mask and gloves with her 8 year old son just wandering unprotected. I assumed it was her least favourite child But having a car to shop in must make the idea much more appealing ... walking (especially in the rain) does focus the mind more. Rog
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Post by peterboat on May 1, 2020 17:17:08 GMT
How is it fine to stand outside B&Q in a line with other people and breathing the air inside that store, whilst it is not OK to walk in the Pennines miles from another soul? If you are local to the Pennines then going there for your daily exercise is already permitted. True but driving 100 miles to do it isnt! When will people learn that when a copper stops you, he knows where you live as long as its your car.
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Post by Boaty on May 1, 2020 17:21:19 GMT
Maybe some formal easing of the regs is around the corner and HMG are therefore relaxed about this more relaxed attitude. I live in sleepy Suffolk and there have been very few reported cases/possible cases in local villages, but most people are still onside with the lockdown. Not all but then it has never been all anyway. Interestingly one of the exceptions is someone who should be enforcing it. I have had a conversation with myself many times as to whether a report should be filed but have held off. Right/wrong?
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Post by peterboat on May 1, 2020 17:30:27 GMT
You said this earlier: "If you are local to the Pennines then going there for your daily exercise is already permitted" - does that not insinuate that: "100s will follow and that will destroy the reason the lockdown was put in place." Eh? The exercise period is limited, it is not open ended. If crowds did descend (unlikely) then they would just be broken up as they were in Wales. If the lockdown did not exist there would be no power to break up those crowds. But people are not going to be fined if they are local to the area and are taking their daily exercise on the Penines whilst adhering to social distancing. If you are happy with that then you have no problems. People are going to be breaking the rules if they sit on beaches having a beer or come from miles away to enjoy the scenery. I agree with you that the rules have become very complicated, unnecessarily so in my view. B&Q opening (with Wicks and Homebase to follow) is hardly going to keep the traffic down and most of what they sell is non-essential anyway. Lining up outside Tesco for food is one thing, lining up outside B&Q for a pot of paint is completely different. Lining up outside both is just plain stupid imo and would probably turn the morning shop into a days excursion. People catching the virus is going down so it needs a boost so that herd immunity can be gained in the absence of a vaccine. Around here the Eastern europeans are still acting as if nothing is wrong ........until some caught it, now they are walking around wearing masks, forgetting that holding hands can pass the virus to. The Asians arnt to much better, I pass through an estate when going to the allotment they are all stood around in groups and all the kids are playing on the street so its no surprise really that BAME are taking a high percentage of deaths.
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Post by JohnV on May 1, 2020 17:35:18 GMT
If you are local to the Pennines then going there for your daily exercise is already permitted. he knows where you live as long as its your car. nope ..... not in my case , just where it's registered
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Post by patty on May 1, 2020 17:41:19 GMT
Son number 3 has been relieved of duties on the front line..just a shame that they have not paid them as what they agreed..in fact its scandalous.....he got paid just over £200 total for over 12 x 12 hour shifts on the front line having gone into hell on earth...hoping this will be sorted as it should be ..they have now agreed a 'mistake was made...Yeah right
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Post by lollygagger on May 1, 2020 17:43:21 GMT
Sorry it wasn't aimed directly at you lollygagger . We have noticed on our weekly shopping trips that peoples natural caution is easing. For the first time the other day I saw people taking their kids shopping ... one lady in a mask and gloves with her 8 year old son just wandering unprotected. I assumed it was her least favourite child But having a car to shop in must make the idea much more appealing ... walking (especially in the rain) does focus the mind more. Rog I haven't been out of the marina for 15 days. It was nice to drive the van though, I've changed the timing advance, fitted different main jets and replaced some gear linkage parts since last time...and tidied it up inside and out. God I'm bored...but hanging in with the isolation thing for now. I can really see the day when the whole of the UK suddenly says "sod this", I feel a huge amount of people already have, around here at least. I think maybe this lockdown was pretty stupid out here in the sticks though I can see the need in heavily populated areas. What do I know though...
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Post by Boaty on May 1, 2020 18:09:36 GMT
The exercise period is limited, it is not open ended. If crowds did descend (unlikely) then they would just be broken up as they were in Wales. If the lockdown did not exist there would be no power to break up those crowds. But people are not going to be fined if they are local to the area and are taking their daily exercise on the Penines whilst adhering to social distancing. If you are happy with that then you have no problems. People are going to be breaking the rules if they sit on beaches having a beer or come from miles away to enjoy the scenery. I agree with you that the rules have become very complicated, unnecessarily so in my view. B&Q opening (with Wicks and Homebase to follow) is hardly going to keep the traffic down and most of what they sell is non-essential anyway. Lining up outside Tesco for food is one thing, lining up outside B&Q for a pot of paint is completely different. Lining up outside both is just plain stupid imo and would probably turn the morning shop into a days excursion. People catching the virus is going down so it needs a boost so that herd immunity can be gained in the absence of a vaccine. Around here the Eastern europeans are still acting as if nothing is wrong ........until some caught it, now they are walking around wearing masks, forgetting that holding hands can pass the virus to. The Asians arnt to much better, I pass through an estate when going to the allotment they are all stood around in groups and all the kids are playing on the street so its no surprise really that BAME are taking a high percentage of deaths. But we are not buying into the herd immunity thing though are we (genuine question)? That said without a vaccine or some form of reliable treatment I suppose there is no option, although I think/hope there will be a break through on the treatment front sooner rather than later. The trick will then be mass producing and deploying it.
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