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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:03:49 GMT
Again, thanks @tonyc .., interesting stuff and refreshing to hear people speaking openly about the issue.
I will continue to 'look into' the matter ... I have all summer to decide.
I suspect I'll end up with a Thetford cassette again as it's the system I know and have been entirely happy with.
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Post by Jim on May 21, 2020 18:06:16 GMT
Again, thanks @tonyc .., interesting stuff and refreshing to hear people speaking openly about the issue. I will continue to 'look into' the matter ... I have all summer to decide. I suspect I'll end up with a Thetford cassette again as it's the system I know and have been entirely happy with. Rog "look into"? Sniff around is apt.
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Post by Jim on May 21, 2020 18:08:00 GMT
How do you hold it in position? Wrong day. You've missed it.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:18:48 GMT
We have three cassettes.
Unforunately after 14 years they are now obsolete and won't fit the new version ... buy a new loo and I need new cassettes.
To be honest, two would be plenty ... one of the great things about the cassette is you can stick it on a trolly and walk it to an elsan, but I like to remove one and put a fresh cassette on before emptying the full one.
The cassettes have been very easy to maintain and easy to replace seals and vents as necessary.
Ours has a reservoir built in for flushing (7 litres ) ... when I ripped out the Vacuflush I wanted something utterly 'stand alone'.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:24:05 GMT
How do you hold it in position? You were referring to the bubble envelopes that one is not a bubble one..
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:26:17 GMT
It's a shame that boat toilets did not take the technological leap in the 80s and go for the Compact Disc form. It would be so much easier to deal with. As for the stand alone variety apparently the "save water, crap with a friend" type are gaining some traction.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:58:00 GMT
Tes peterb, but we don't all want our salad fertilised organically, even if we had an allotmnt we visited every six weeks.
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Post by kris on May 21, 2020 19:51:54 GMT
Not at all, the very least I could is pass on what I've been able to dig up, after all the helpful advice I got from you chaps. But one thing I didn't mention was your main query- frequency of solids emptying. The thing is that because its going to into normal waste disposal in bin bags, emptying frequency its not so much of an issue anyway- Did I imagine it or has CRT specifically disallowed disposal of toilet waste in their bins? I know that it is legal to place bagged raw sewage or any other type of toilet waste into the domestic waste stream but I suspect a navigation authority can over-rule that and specify what they don't want in their own bins which are emptied by private contractors not local authority services. As usual you have imagined it. Oh well it’s not the first time you’ve made something up. CRTs own advice is to double bag and place in the bin. Until they change this advice I’ll continue to do so.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 19:54:48 GMT
It's a difficult subject to have any kind of serious discussion about as someone always wants to try to be comic.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 19:56:45 GMT
Seems to be plenty of dog bags too ... shit's shit I suppose ... baby's, dog's or human. Instinctively, flushing waste away at an elsan just seems the thing to do. Rog Except that dog (and cat) shit contains an organism which, should you be unlucky enough to ingest it, can send you blind and insane. Watching dog owners accept licks on the face always gives me the shudders.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 20:50:19 GMT
I suspect I'll end up with a Thetford cassette again as it's the system I know and have been entirely happy with. It's what we have. and the only thing I'd ever change is perhaps having a spare cassette. There's nothing wrong with carting it to a normal toilet and pouring it down that. We have three 1.5 litre bottles of water beside ours which helps with the flushing, and I tend to use a lot of water as it will make it easier to empty. 'Dry/Compost' toilets are a-plenty in Finland and they stink, especially in Summer. They don't really work, aren't worth the trouble, and are just people trying to 're-invent the wheel'. Peterboat will be along shortly to admonish me, and kris still has not yet enlightened us about how he disposes of his because it's obviously not in 'the correct way' whatever that might be. I do think its important to not lose sight of the fact that the cassette loo is not broken. It is a great solution to a very thorny problem, and like so many great solutions it's very simple. But that said, I am starting to get the impression that there are a number of cassette users (in motorhomes and boats) who are already sort of practising the principle of urine separation that is used in dry toilets- by peeing into a separate container, and using the cassette loo largely for no2 duties. The ones I'm aware of are doing this because it greatly extends the time before the loo needs emptying. If those people were to throw some coconut coir into their loo after completing their ablutions (I'm running out of these polite euphemisms) and if they were to avoid any urine getting in there, they would effectively be running a dry toilet, and it seems very likely the contents of their cassette loo could be bagged as per current reg'lashuns, and that said contents would also be a lot less pongy than they are now. So there are already a number of people running 'semi-dry' toilets, and enjoying the extended periods they get between emptying. I've used cassette loos a good few times- in motorhomes, caravans, and in boats, and I've not yet gotten over the unpleasantness of the emptying part. I know I'm a complete wimp and I need a stronger stomach, but if there is a less smelly way, why not look at it? I've never used a dry toilet so that's guesswork, but there is very good evidence that with an extraction pipe or a carbon filter, they smell very little- these guys on youtube aren't all huge liars- and they repeatedly refer to the lack of any nasty smells within their boats. So yes, the cassette loo is still gong strong for a very good reason- it does the job well, and its reliable, simple and cheap. But if there is another option that allows me 2 months before I need to empty, and when I do empty the waste can be treated as domestic waste (and not need an elsan point), and if it also offers the option of very little smell when emptying- to me that looks like a really good option. Downside is its more of a faff, and the act of separating things might take a little getting used to, but I have to say I love the idea of not being reliant on getting close to an elsan point or public toilet, when things get all grim and frozen, or locks start closing.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 21:06:55 GMT
Seems to be plenty of dog bags too ... shit's shit I suppose ... baby's, dog's or human. Instinctively, flushing waste away at an elsan just seems the thing to do. Rog Except that dog (and cat) shit contains an organism which, should you be unlucky enough to ingest it, can send you blind and insane. Watching dog owners accept licks on the face always gives me the shudders. When I was younger I used to be similarly horrified watching entire families being licked right on the chops by their enthusiastic and loving pooches (this was before I started living with hounds myself). I wanted to shout at them to be careful- to tell them they were all doomed, and were certain to die in agony. I felt like that crazed pastor in the film Zulu, who kept shouting "you're all going to die!" at the justifiably worried Welshmen and their officers. Except I shouted on the inside, obviously. And yet somehow they all survived- every man jack of them survived the deadly licking. I don't know how they survived- these germs are real, and dogs stomachs can handle them better than ours because of more acidity (or something). A decade later I was carelessly allowing my own dog a bite from a snack and then scoffing the rest of it myself without pause. There is something about being around these creatures that definitely lowers one's concerns about personal space, or food hygiene- or saliva. They do love a bit of saliva- on other people of course.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 21:09:40 GMT
I agree with you that many boaters of my acquaintance with a pump-out loo use the 'bucket and chuck it' system overnight ... but there's no advantage with a cassette. We use the loo and need to empty the cassette every four or five days. Even when frozen in (ten days was the longest) I was able to take a cassette and empty it ... once I'd thawed the elsan out I have no issues with smell, but use quality blue and more than directed too. The eight week emptying of bagged waste is a plus it seems at first glance ... but the power draw of a constant fan, emptying liquids every few days anyway , and trial and error with coffee filters and different types of coverings/drying agents seems too many negatives at present. And simply flushing waste away still seems the right thing to do to me ... although on a permanent mooring I'm sure the balance would be tilted towards fully composting. It's a very personal subject of course, and no criticism is intended of others choices. Rog
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Post by kris on May 21, 2020 21:15:27 GMT
It's a difficult subject to have any kind of serious discussion about as someone always wants to try to be comic. Rog Its not the comic that annoys me. But the down right lies posted by foxy as usual, it’s good not many people actually read his posts.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 21:19:11 GMT
On the dangers of contact with faeces ... of course this is always best avoided.
But rather like the risks of contracting Weil's disease from contact with canal water containing rats pee ... or indeed contracting Covid 19 from mixing with other members of the public ... only a tiny percentage are unlucky enough to suffer.
The human immune system is a wonderful thing.
Rog
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