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Post by Graham on Oct 6, 2016 15:25:47 GMT
So the fact I have had two positive experiences with the broker count for nothing?? and posted about them, or are you only taking on board negative experiences. Not at all, I certainly have kept in mind that so many have given the 'thumbs up' to Rugby Boats, and as I said, I couldn't find any negative comments about them when having a rummage through the Internet (which usually turns up stuff pretty quickly). I do think positively but with 56 years experience I tend to like to look at all the negative stuff first and try to sniff out a 'con' before I get conned. I'm cynical because there are a lot of thieves and liars out there. I do acknowledge that there are also many genuinely good people, and am happy to give praises for them. This is the thing, you see, it's hard to disbelieve anything you say, your record is impeccable - yet I find it hard to believe Graham is telling fibs. Hence, I remain 'neutral'. This is why the Police don't care to get involved in 'Domestics' as there's never a neat outcome. I respect your position. BTW no fibs, I have a reputation for being open and honest, some say too honest for my own good. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 15:25:51 GMT
Lets put it this way, I was not alone, I have recordings of the conversations or they were witnessed. If I have said anything that was a lie I would have expected to have heard from him or his solicitors, I have not. To me there is a difference between your experience and mine. The two were similar up to the point I signed a contract for brokerage with a 3 month term and the brokerage was looking after £30K+ worth of my property. Think there are two different relationships there. Was this supposed to be a point aimed at me?? I can't tell as you have responded to and quoted yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 15:26:21 GMT
My own personal view on this is that Graham probably had good reason to feel a bit aggrieved but from my experience going in too early with all guns blazing and threats of legal action can put people's backs up unnecessarily. Once that happens it's difficult to find a happy compromise.
I suppose it's about using degreed measures to resolve a problem. A freindly honest inital chat usually resolves most things before they go tits up.
I'm sure Dom has learnt something from it. Maybe time to let it go and move on. As I said, life is too short...
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Post by Graham on Oct 6, 2016 15:28:38 GMT
Well maybe you should wait until I don't do as I say and then crow. Not that it will happen. Doesn't change anything as far as I am concerned because as you say you aren't going to get the info. to respond to anyway. Ah but you forget that if I had lied on here I would have been open to the brokerage coming back at me with ease. Hence it is simply as I told it happened and is recorded |
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Post by Graham on Oct 6, 2016 15:36:24 GMT
My own personal view on this is that Graham probably had good reason to feel a bit aggrieved but from my experience going in too early with all guns blazing and threats of legal action can put people's backs up unnecessarily. Once that happens it's difficult to find a happy compromise. I suppose it's about using degreed measures to resolve a problem. A freindly honest inital chat usually resolves most things before they go tits up. I'm sure Dom has learnt something from it. Maybe time to let it go and move on. As I said, life is too short... One thing I can tell you threats of legal action were not made. Yes the requirements of my insurance company were pointed out as had been when they took the boat on. As for going in with all guns blazing I would suggest that I went in quite gently although angry with the boat having been left unsecured etc for a period of days. My interest was to get the boat sold as fast as possible. Oh I have moved on to worry about a survey and what that will show. I know it should show nothing but  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 15:40:07 GMT
Doesn't change anything as far as I am concerned because as you say you aren't going to get the info. to respond to anyway. Ah but you forget that if I had lied on here I would have been open to the brokerage coming back at me with ease. Hence it is simply as I told it happened and is recorded Sorry but I don't take Dominic's reticence about responding in a public forum as proof of your version of events. I am not disputing your version of events however because I wasn't there to hear it so I don't feel it fair to do so. For all I know it could be true, equally it could be a load of cock and bull. But I certainly don't consider your version of events conclusively proven by virtue of the fact Dominic hasn't responded here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 15:42:38 GMT
My own personal view on this is that Graham probably had good reason to feel a bit aggrieved but from my experience going in too early with all guns blazing and threats of legal action can put people's backs up unnecessarily. Once that happens it's difficult to find a happy compromise. I suppose it's about using degreed measures to resolve a problem. A freindly honest inital chat usually resolves most things before they go tits up. I'm sure Dom has learnt something from it. Maybe time to let it go and move on. As I said, life is too short... One thing I can tell you threats of legal action were not made. Yes the requirements of my insurance company were pointed out as had been when they took the boat on. As for going in with all guns blazing I would suggest that I went in quite gently although angry with the boat having been left unsecured etc for a period of days. My interest was to get the boat sold as fast as possible. Oh I have moved on to worry about a survey and what that will show. I know it should show nothing but Out of curiosity, who's paying for the survey? I've heard that it's sometimes shared between the seller and buyer. I'm not sure how that works when a broker is involved |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 15:52:51 GMT
One thing I can tell you threats of legal action were not made. Yes the requirements of my insurance company were pointed out as had been when they took the boat on. As for going in with all guns blazing I would suggest that I went in quite gently although angry with the boat having been left unsecured etc for a period of days. My interest was to get the boat sold as fast as possible. Oh I have moved on to worry about a survey and what that will show. I know it should show nothing but Out of curiosity, who's paying for the survey? I've heard that it's sometimes shared between the seller and buyer. I'm not sure how that works when a broker is involved When we bought through RBS we paid for the survey on the Dog House and when we sold it our buyers paid for the survey. That way they become the 'property' of the buyer who can in theory take action against the surveyor if they miss something significant (assuming you can worm your way through all the 'get out' clauses). That is normal practice as far as I understand. |
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Post by Graham on Oct 6, 2016 16:02:16 GMT
Out of curiosity, who's paying for the survey? I've heard that it's sometimes shared between the seller and buyer. I'm not sure how that works when a broker is involved When we bought through RBS we paid for the survey on the Dog House and when we sold it our buyers paid for the survey. That way they become the 'property' of the buyer who can in theory take action against the surveyor if they miss something significant (assuming you can worm your way through all the 'get out' clauses). That is normal practice as far as I understand. Up to the buyer as are all associated costs. There is a survey from 2012 aboard which they might have read, don't know. BSS from May this year. There should be nothing majorly wrong. I had a good look at her and took some plate depths when she was blacked in Nov 15. For a 27 year old boat she was nearly perfect 8mm in the wear areas and higher elsewhere, little or no pitting on the sides, no dents etc. |
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Post by harold on Oct 6, 2016 16:03:24 GMT
I have met Graham before and wouldn't be surprised if he falls out with people he does business with on a regular basis.
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Post by Graham on Oct 6, 2016 16:08:22 GMT
I have met Graham before and wouldn't be surprised if he falls out with people he does business with on a regular basis. Well as I don't know who you are I am not sure how you can make such a statement. As for falling out with people I do business with way off the beam. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 18:01:00 GMT
When we bought through RBS we paid for the survey on the Dog House and when we sold it our buyers paid for the survey. That way they become the 'property' of the buyer who can in theory take action against the surveyor if they miss something significant (assuming you can worm your way through all the 'get out' clauses). That is normal practice as far as I understand. Up to the buyer as are all associated costs. There is a survey from 2012 aboard which they might have read, don't know. BSS from May this year. There should be nothing majorly wrong. I had a good look at her and took some plate depths when she was blacked in Nov 15. For a 27 year old boat she was nearly perfect 8mm in the wear areas and higher elsewhere, little or no pitting on the sides, no dents etc. of course it is. I was talking about normal practice when buying/selling. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 6, 2016 18:34:07 GMT
I have met Graham before and wouldn't be surprised if he falls out with people he does business with on a regular basis. harold's only other post from May 2016: "She could start by telling you how to use paragraphs. Somebody needs to do it." I find it peculiar that 'harold' and 'southernstar' appear again all of a sudden. Where is tomsk when you need him to call someone a twat? |
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Post by Graham on Oct 6, 2016 18:56:55 GMT
Up to the buyer as are all associated costs. There is a survey from 2012 aboard which they might have read, don't know. BSS from May this year. There should be nothing majorly wrong. I had a good look at her and took some plate depths when she was blacked in Nov 15. For a 27 year old boat she was nearly perfect 8mm in the wear areas and higher elsewhere, little or no pitting on the sides, no dents etc. of course it is. I was talking about normal practice when buying/selling. Sorry I was answering bassplayer's question and seems I picked up and quoted the wrong post |
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Post by tomsk on Oct 9, 2016 4:42:13 GMT
I have met Graham before and wouldn't be surprised if he falls out with people he does business with on a regular basis. harold's only other post from May 2016: "She could start by telling you how to use paragraphs. Somebody needs to do it." I find it peculiar that 'harold' and 'southernstar' appear again all of a sudden. Where is tomsk when you need him to call someone a twat? Twat. |
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