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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 7:20:38 GMT
I don't look too pretty ... but Jane loves me As to the 'thumbs up' it's just polite isn't it ... their boat so their lock so they get to say when and how. Normally, if you're chatting, or interacting with the crew , the when and how are made known during conversation anyway. We all have our preferences ... going down we're happy winding straight up ... but climbing and dependent which locks we're in we can be a little more circumspect ... some are very gentle fillers and some can be beasts ... I prefer not to smash-up the contents of the boat after all. The point is I would like to choose, not some bod unconnected with me Rog
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Post by Trina on Jul 22, 2021 7:22:52 GMT
Talking about slowing down,we are always moored for the least impact from speeding.What does surprise me is how many boats just don't slow down at all.We slow down going past moored boats,but seem to be in the minority.I know smart arses say speeding boats shouldn't impact well moored boats,but to me that's not the point-slow down ! Surely it depends how fast they were going in the first place? On our recent visit to Stratford I did notice a few boats didn’t slow down as they passed, but they were already going pretty slowly and had no impact on us. Sorry Nick,but some boats on the Shroppie are being steered by Lewis Hamilton...😐
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 7:24:27 GMT
Long straights ... always encourages the car driver types Rog ETA In fairness, boats floating on water move when other boats move the water ... that motion is part of what we like isn't it ? But there are those that take things too far.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 22, 2021 7:54:01 GMT
I don't look too pretty ... but Jane loves me As to the 'thumbs up' it's just polite isn't it ... their boat so their lock so they get to say when and how. Normally, if you're chatting, or interacting with the crew , the when and how are made known during conversation anyway. We all have our preferences ... going down we're happy winding straight up ... but climbing and dependent which locks we're in we can be a little more circumspect ... some are very gentle fillers and some can be beasts ... I prefer not to smash-up the contents of the boat after all. The point is I would like to choose, not some bod unconnected with me Rog My point really is that the thumbs up thing is a new invention, didn’t exist for the first 250+ years of the canals and didn’t exist for the first 40 years of my boating career. We just got on with it and weren’t precious about who was “in charge”. There was a job to be done and we did it. I lump it into a general dumbing down of the canals along with so many other things including people sitting by their boats waiting for “their” lock to be available, inability to steer (need a bow thruster in constant use) and inability to tie up properly. I agree that some locks are gentle and some are beasts but a thumb up is a binary thing and doesn’t indicate how much paddle to initially use. But I have long since had to go along with this new fad, even though it pains me! And of course there are plenty of boaters like me who don’t need or expect to have to give a thumbs up, other new era boaters who scream hysterically if a paddle operator doesn’t wait for it. That being one reason why people are increasingly staying with their boats whilst waiting for a lock - it’s just too stressful to work out what sort of boater is at the helm.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 8:12:25 GMT
I suspect for the first forty years of your boating Telemachus you weren't onboard your home, stuffed full of possessions, breakables and wine bottles. I was never so careful on hire boats and share boats either. But times change, and I'm more concerned about the boats contents these days Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 8:15:53 GMT
I don't look too pretty ... but Jane loves me As to the 'thumbs up' it's just polite isn't it ... their boat so their lock so they get to say when and how. Normally, if you're chatting, or interacting with the crew , the when and how are made known during conversation anyway. We all have our preferences ... going down we're happy winding straight up ... but climbing and dependent which locks we're in we can be a little more circumspect ... some are very gentle fillers and some can be beasts ... I prefer not to smash-up the contents of the boat after all. The point is I would like to choose, not some bod unconnected with me Rog My point really is that the thumbs up thing is a new invention, didn’t exist for the first 250+ years of the canals and didn’t exist for the first 40 years of my boating career. We just got on with it and weren’t precious about who was “in charge”. Really ! The Wigan flight crew and many volunteer keepers will be surprised to read that Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 8:36:31 GMT
We have always stowed ornaments and breakables and removed anything that might fall off a shelf before moving the boat, it's just what we do. Saves on the stress.
Got shouted at on the River Cam the other day by a crusty towpath shuffler, I was travelling at 3mph below the speed limit for that section, no pleasing some people.😱
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Post by Jim on Jul 22, 2021 8:54:55 GMT
Maybe I'd think differently on narrow canals, but I like to be out on the lock side controlling the boat, especially going up, in the broad locks round here. I do whack paddles up when I've got the boat in the right position, so it and Noreen don't get chucked about. As for making reasonable progress along the cut, boat has a draft of .5m, only 10m long, so doesn't shift that much water passing other boats. Still get the tourettes tick Slow Down though, on occasion.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 22, 2021 8:59:42 GMT
My point really is that the thumbs up thing is a new invention, didn’t exist for the first 250+ years of the canals and didn’t exist for the first 40 years of my boating career. We just got on with it and weren’t precious about who was “in charge”. Really ! The Wigan flight crew and many volunteer keepers will be surprised to read that Rog Ah clearly you haven’t been paying attention! I have never complained about eg a volockie opening a paddle without a thumbs up. I have complained when volockies have tried to stop me doing what is normal practice - Atherstone, stopping me from opening the second bottom paddle. Wigan, stopping me from entering a lock as a pair. Wilmcote, trying to stop me from setting a lock (not turning a lock on someone) and being very rude about it. And the one on the L&L staircase where the volockie stopped me operating an intermediate paddle. It is not about being in charge because boating is a team sport as far as locks are concerned (well, unless you are so miserable that no-one else will go boating with you).
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 22, 2021 9:00:39 GMT
Maybe I'd think differently on narrow canals, but I like to be out on the lock side controlling the boat, especially going up, in the broad locks round here. I do whack paddles up when I've got the boat in the right position, so it and Noreen don't get chucked about. As for making reasonable progress along the cut, boat has a draft of .5m, only 10m long, so doesn't shift that much water passing other boats. Still get the tourettes tick Slow Down though, on occasion. Yes to be clear I’m thinking of narrow locks where the boat can only be controlled in 1 dimension.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 22, 2021 9:06:35 GMT
I suspect for the first forty years of your boating Telemachus you weren't onboard your home, stuffed full of possessions, breakables and wine bottles. I was never so careful on hire boats and share boats either. But times change, and I'm more concerned about the boats contents these days Rog Certainly there were fewer live aboards then, but it is a boat and nicknacks should be reasonably secure. But you are to some extent right, part of the dumbing down is the change from considering the canals to be a transport network, to being somewhere to tie up your floating cottage. Hence the resentment and shouting when any boat dares to actually be moving past one’s floating cottage. But that said, we have plenty of stuff on our boat but it doesn’t fall off shelves and cupboards because we don’t hit things. Giving a thumbs up in a lock is not a protection against the routine crashing into lock walls on entry, ramming banks when coming alongside etc that we regularly see. Requiring a thumbs up makes absolutely no difference to bumps that might disrupt your precious collection of fine porcelain figures that you have balanced on the edge of the shelf.
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Post by brummieboy on Jul 22, 2021 14:08:15 GMT
I suspect for the first forty years of your boating Telemachus you weren't onboard your home, stuffed full of possessions, breakables and wine bottles. I was never so careful on hire boats and share boats either. But times change, and I'm more concerned about the boats contents these days Rog , to being somewhere to tie up your floating cottage. Hence the resentment and shouting when any boat dares to actually be moving past one’s floating cottage. or mooring in their back garden, which accounts for a lot of the 'git gaps'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 7:41:32 GMT
Other than one occasion when moored on double bank pins on the Bridgewater near Daresbury, and the pins were bent at right angles by two passing hire boats, I don't recall a problem with speed of boats passing by. I'm not overly bothered about the thumbs up at locks either, but prefer people to offer assistance rather than just do stuff without warning. My pet grumble is the timid boater that HAS to moor virtually touching another boat, rather than pick their own bit of isolation. I don't even mind if they only leave two or three boat lengths ... on a long, long stretch of piling with unrestricted mooring, there's no need to moor nose to tail. I think it's the caravan site mentality from long term marina dwellers ... they need to be squashed together Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 23, 2021 7:48:30 GMT
My pet grumble is the timid boater that HAS to moor virtually touching another boat, rather than pick their own bit of isolation. I don't even mind if they only leave two or three boat lengths ... on a long, long stretch of piling with unrestricted mooring, there's no need to moor nose to tail. Rog Is it you magnetic personality, your dashing good looks, or the intoxicating pheromones you exude? Well put it like this, it doesn’t happen to me!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 7:54:26 GMT
How very astute of you ... yes you could be correct But equally you (I understand) tend to cruise for the day ... a more limited time journey e.g. your current trip up the Ashby in a week. We tend to cruise for a couple of hours and explore on foot at a slower pace e.g. we've been on the Macclesfield since the start of June. Perhaps it's not so significant to you, rather than not happening. Rog
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