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Post by Telemachus on Sept 28, 2020 20:44:18 GMT
I think the intention was fiefdom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 20:45:24 GMT
Actually it should be fiefdom !
Cross posted with the 'intelligent one'.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 28, 2020 21:31:16 GMT
I think he worked out I was a lost cause pretty quickly But he always made time to explain something clearly to anyone who asked. Even you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 7:47:24 GMT
Actually it should be fiefdom !
Cross posted with the 'intelligent one'.
I thought you were doing a play on words. CRT having a "thiefdom" seems quite an interesting concept.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 7:52:15 GMT
Actually it should be fiefdom !
Cross posted with the 'intelligent one'.
I thought you were doing a play on words. CRT having a "thiefdom" seems quite an interesting concept. Sometimes I do intentionally play on words - sometimes I'm just lazy and that occasionally leads to an inadvertent play on words. I agree CRT having a 'thiefdom' does seem an interesting concept.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 8:24:26 GMT
I read many reports on boat forums of boaters 'behaving badly' most often described as 'pisstakers' ... over-stayers and continous moorers; moorers in inappropriate locations and on services ;noise makers with engines and genny's; out of hours engine runners; home made or adapted craft that are totally unsuitable; threatening and/or inconsiderate individuals; inappropriate tenders etc. etc.
The common response to posts referencing these varied problems is 'report them to C&RT'.
Being charitable, it appears that these proposed T&C's have been composed by C&RT as a direct response to demands for action in these problem areas , rather than a means of by-passing any legislation.
I am willing to believe the writers have only viewed their text from this stand-point and have yet to recognize some of the interpretations which can be made ... I still favour incompetence over evil empire theory.
I have little faith in consultations ... experience suggests decisions have already been made ... but I hope we will all respond to the proposals and seek to curb the power grab implied.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 8:32:39 GMT
That's how I read it. It is mainly targeting people who are pushing the limits.
Most ordinary boaters would probably say that people pushing the limits -should- be targeted and perhaps taken off the waterways.
The insurance thing is classic. You don't need insurance. You just put a number on your application and random checks may occur.
It's one of the less costly parts of owning a boat and it's not complicated to get the 3rd party cover but the fact that you don't have to file your insurance documents with the navigation authority invites abuse. Obviously...
Same with boat safety. "self declaration of exemption" what a ridiculous idea.
People -will- look for loopholes that is how it works. It won't suddenly stop happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 9:04:52 GMT
I read many reports on boat forums of boaters 'behaving badly' most often described as 'pisstakers' ... over-stayers and continous moorers; moorers in inappropriate locations and on services ;noise makers with engines and genny's; out of hours engine runners; home made or adapted craft that are totally unsuitable; threatening and/or inconsiderate individuals; inappropriate tenders etc. etc. The common response to posts referencing these varied problems is 'report them to C&RT'. Being charitable, it appears that these proposed T&C's have been composed by C&RT as a direct response to demands for action in these problem areas , rather than a means of by-passing any legislation. I am willing to believe the writers have only viewed their text from this stand-point and have yet to recognize some of the interpretations which can be made ... I still favour incompetence over evil empire theory. I have little faith in consultations ... experience suggests decisions have already been made ... but I hope we will all respond to the proposals and seek to curb the power grab implied. Rog The only problem with your theory here, is that crt having been asked by nabo to produce evidence of such misdeeds a few weeks ago, resulted in a reply indicating they had no reports of such. Let's not also get carried away by those mumbling on the internet about overstayers and mooring in silly places. Although I am in no doubt a very very small number do take the piss, a bigger number take the piss exaggerating the issues on the internet, as is often the case with people like Nick Norman and naughty cal for instance. Sit back in your armchair rog, have a nice Xmas and hopefully you won't be effected too much by the idiotic misdeeds of the bad boaters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 9:10:56 GMT
I can read @bedruthan too ... and can draw my own conclusions and form my own opinions ... I have expressed them.
You disagree.
There is no requirement to be condescending or patronising.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 9:20:21 GMT
There is no requirement to be condescending or patronising. Rog Yes, sorry, but quite often (and with your post here), I find myself thinking you are being condescending and patronising. I therefore reply accordingly.
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Post by kris on Sept 29, 2020 9:23:29 GMT
I know it’s a lot to ask for, but I think boaters have got to find a bit more solidarity. If cart are ever going to get put back in their box and taught to wind their neck in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 9:37:44 GMT
kris as I said, if whether we consider this is simply a 'power grab' by C&RT either intentionally as some suggest, or in response to problem areas, as I and others suggest, we must reply to the consultation and argue our corner. Solidarity in what other form are you suggesting ? In my view it is senseless to simply damn C&RT and everything they do simply because they are C&RT... I am happy to complain and point out shortfalls and problems to them, but without communication nothing can ever change. Surely our aim is to improve how C&RT work ? Despite registering some complaints this year, I have also recognised and applauded good work ... there has to be balance surely ? Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 9:38:02 GMT
I know it’s a lot to ask for, but I think boaters have got to find a bit more solidarity. If cart are ever going to get put back in their box and taught to wind their neck in. Sadly (and although you are right), it's not at all a reliable option. People are filling out the survey and being blindsided. They think they are hero's in holding widebeams to account, when the very wording of the consultation has far reaching implications that go far beyond their intelligence levels.
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Post by Gone on Sept 29, 2020 9:40:36 GMT
I know it’s a lot to ask for, but I think boaters have got to find a bit more solidarity. If cart are ever going to get put back in their box and taught to wind their neck in. That’s not going to happen as many (maybe most) boaters agree with what appears to be CRT’s intentions but object to the poorly worded, badly defined proposed changes. If CRT made a bit of effort to proof read and correct their proposals BEFORE sending them out for consultation they would get a much better reaction. Their PR is surprisingly poor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 9:43:01 GMT
There is no requirement to be condescending or patronising. Rog Yes, sorry, but quite often (and with your post here), I find myself thinking you are being condescending and patronising. I therefore reply accordingly. Then I apologize ... wasn't intended. Rog
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