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Post by patty on Mar 13, 2021 20:31:57 GMT
It’s not me it’s my daughter, it’s not the same person or the same place, it’s also in the park, outside a bar, everywhere. You haven’t seen it cos you’re a bloke, they don’t do it in the presence of others who might call them out on it. Chats over the years with daughter and friends confirms what you say. Happily I know my daughter won’t be bullied into hiding herself away. As she often tells me, fuck the sad idiots. Majority of men are lovely but there are enough bad ins to make life hell for some women. Can’t understand why any decent bloke would argue against this. Some shocking attitudes being shown on this thread. tbh I've bin rendered speechless by views expressed on this thread...... i just dunno wot to say so I won't
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Post by patty on Mar 13, 2021 20:33:51 GMT
just to say i would not want to live in London anymore....
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2021 20:34:24 GMT
Chats over the years with daughter and friends confirms what you say. Happily I know my daughter won’t be bullied into hiding herself away. As she often tells me, fuck the sad idiots. Majority of men are lovely but there are enough bad ins to make life hell for some women. Can’t understand why any decent bloke would argue against this. Some shocking attitudes being shown on this thread. tbh I've bin rendered speechless by views expressed on this thread...... i just dunno wot to say so I won't It is a bit disturbing when some individual’s true colours show
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Post by Trina on Mar 13, 2021 20:52:38 GMT
Is it respectful, common decency, or common sense to cat call young women walking to work, dressed for the office and covered in a coat scarf and gloves, one you have never seen before? No !!! ..... Though an ex girlfriend of mine always said she quite enjoyed getting the odd wolf whistle when going past a building site and always used to put on a bit more "sway" ...... so lets not be too extreme I did when I was younger & it didn't feel like a threat back then,more like cheeky banter.Now,times are different & I think the 'banter' would feel more threatening due to the way times have changed.We don't live in 'Heartbeat' tv programme times(29 yrs since the first episode😊).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 20:57:01 GMT
No !!! ..... Though an ex girlfriend of mine always said she quite enjoyed getting the odd wolf whistle when going past a building site and always used to put on a bit more "sway" ...... so lets not be too extreme I did when I was younger & it didn't feel like a threat back then,more like cheeky banter.Now,times are different & I think the 'banter' would feel more threatening due to the way times have changed.We don't live in 'Heartbeat' tv programme times(29 yrs since the first episode😊). Good summary.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2021 20:58:18 GMT
No !!! ..... Though an ex girlfriend of mine always said she quite enjoyed getting the odd wolf whistle when going past a building site and always used to put on a bit more "sway" ...... so lets not be too extreme I did when I was younger & it didn't feel like a threat back then,more like cheeky banter.Now,times are different & I think the 'banter' would feel more threatening due to the way times have changed.We don't live in 'Heartbeat' tv programme times(29 yrs since the first episode😊). many things have changed in the last ................. ........................ few years
a lot have not been for the better
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 20:59:30 GMT
I did when I was younger & it didn't feel like a threat back then,more like cheeky banter.Now,times are different & I think the 'banter' would feel more threatening due to the way times have changed.We don't live in 'Heartbeat' tv programme times(29 yrs since the first episode😊). many things have changed in the last ................. ........................ few years
a lot have not been for the better
I feckin hate change.... Notably since getting older.
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Post by Trina on Mar 13, 2021 21:05:21 GMT
And here we have it; why should women cover up? Why can’t men control themselves? Why do these, often ugly, overweight, badly dressed, poorly educated and supremely bigoted men thing that any women would fancy them? Dressing scantily is a fashion choice, not “putting it on offer”. It may not be the fashion choice of all women but we should all defend their right to dress as they like without harassment from anyone. Once again in theory you view is meritorious. In practice it is dangerous. It is well known that some men see a drunk girl with her skirt under her armpits, as fair game. No doubt they shouldn’t, but the FACT is that they do. Failure to acknowledge this fact of life is to condemn more women to rape and assault. Are those principles worth it? I talk from related practical experience - Jeff and I SHOULD be able to walk down the street holding hands. But in some (many) places that is asking for trouble. So we don’t ask for trouble, we simply don’t hold hands. Yes our Human Rights are destitute, but the more important point is that we don’t get attacked. Women have a choice, they can dress up to maximise their sexual allure and get attacked, or dress more modestly and be less likely to be attacked. One can argue that it should not be like that, but it is. I find it really sad that you can't hold hands & be yourselves.I'm straight but have spent many happy hours in gay clubs as a 'fag hag'.I was a drama student & into 'am dram'& had loads of gay friends.It's sad/wrong that you cannot be yourselves in public.Back in the 80s,some of my gay pals in teaching had to hide who they were.One of my friends back then & his partner got smacked just for being themselves in a Dudley curry house.
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Post by Trina on Mar 13, 2021 21:06:41 GMT
I did when I was younger & it didn't feel like a threat back then,more like cheeky banter.Now,times are different & I think the 'banter' would feel more threatening due to the way times have changed.We don't live in 'Heartbeat' tv programme times(29 yrs since the first episode😊). Good summary. Thank you 😁.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2021 21:13:50 GMT
Once again in theory you view is meritorious. In practice it is dangerous. It is well known that some men see a drunk girl with her skirt under her armpits, as fair game. No doubt they shouldn’t, but the FACT is that they do. Failure to acknowledge this fact of life is to condemn more women to rape and assault. Are those principles worth it? I talk from related practical experience - Jeff and I SHOULD be able to walk down the street holding hands. But in some (many) places that is asking for trouble. So we don’t ask for trouble, we simply don’t hold hands. Yes our Human Rights are destitute, but the more important point is that we don’t get attacked. Women have a choice, they can dress up to maximise their sexual allure and get attacked, or dress more modestly and be less likely to be attacked. One can argue that it should not be like that, but it is. I find it really sad that you can't hold hands & be yourselves.I'm straight but have spent many happy hours in gay clubs as a 'fag hag'.I was a drama student & into 'am dram'& had loads of gay friends.It's sad/wrong that you cannot be yourselves in public.Back in the 80s,some of my gay pals in teaching had to hide who they were.One of my friends back then & his partner got smacked just for being themselves in a Dudley curry house. I regard it just as a fact of life, one has to adapt behaviour according to circumstance. No point in feeling sad about it, the world isn’t perfect but overall we do pretty well in this country compared to many others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 21:59:13 GMT
If we can ALL agree that the assailant is wrong not the victim ...
If we can all agree that being 'different' is not motivation for attack ...
If we can all stop excusing the attacker ...
maybe society can improve.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 22:02:02 GMT
If we can ALL agree that the assailant is wrong not the victim ... If we can all agree that being 'different' is not motivation for attack ... If we can all stop excusing the attacker ... maybe society can improve. Rog Ffs roger, nobody is excusing the attacker. What the hell is going on in your head?
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Post by thebfg on Mar 14, 2021 2:28:53 GMT
So owners of expensive looking wide beams who moor on the towpath are 'asking for burglaries'. That's simply flawed thinking. The world can be cruel, but that doesn't alter the fact that the offender is wrong, NOT the victim. Rog Ah. But the police will still offer advice on how to keep it safe. Just like they offered advice to women. Had a few interesting conversations around it today and not one of them, all female cared about sexual assault or murder but just annoyed that they think they are being told what to do
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Post by quaysider on Mar 14, 2021 7:58:26 GMT
So owners of expensive looking wide beams who moor on the towpath are 'asking for burglaries'. That's simply flawed thinking. The world can be cruel, but that doesn't alter the fact that the offender is wrong, NOT the victim. Rog Ah. But the police will still offer advice on how to keep it safe. Just like they offered advice to women. Had a few interesting conversations around it today and not one of them, all female cared about sexual assault or murder but just annoyed that they think they are being told what to dodoesn't everyone, (however they identify, non binary, chimp or whatever) get annoyed when then think they are being told what to do? - I know I do... especially by v-lockies eta - this is humour.
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Post by bodger on Mar 14, 2021 8:21:43 GMT
When I was of an age to be interested in such matters in the 60s and 70s my observation was that most girls were flattered by a wolf whistle from a builder up on a scaffolding, and depending on their sense of humour would smile and possibly reply with a V sign.
Oh, the days of innocence when all we wanted was to have a good time with a few laughs thrown in and nobody taking offence. All this PC bollox has made us too introspective and lacking a sense of perspective.
I sometimes wonder if it is the less attractive girls who condemn typical boyish male behaviour because it is not directed at them.
You can’t really believe what you have just posted?
were you around in those days?
your post suggests to me that you don't have a clue about the way we were. Trina has summed it up nicely.
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