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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 22:27:32 GMT
the thing I find incredible is that you don't seem to realise that the "same old mantra" just as easily applies to your views and anyway it's not about cruisers it's about non cruisers, people using boats as housing because they can't get social housing And you would rather see someone homeless, than give them the dignity of a roof of sorts over there heads? Just because you selfishly believe that all people should be like you. Sick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 22:29:51 GMT
Right we are on agreement on some stuff here. You say the law doesnt compel them a distance but it does say onwards navigation or words to that effect so to clarify that CRT said 20 miles per year they were being reasonable I mean half a mile a week its nowt is it? If they had said 300 miles a year that would be reasonable to some but impossible to others. I know that CRT will win this battle because judges see this small mileage and see it as small and reasonable distance, or that is how it is working at the moment. I wouldnt ever want CRT to put a cap on the numbers joining the canals, it would not be fair equally people have to be fair in their dealings with CRT, I have been [they nearly sank my boat in a lock so I have a right to hold a grudge] and our relationship has been on the whole good. Maybe I have just been lucky? apart from the 18 inches of water in my boat that is!!!! They obviously didn't appreciate you cming in a lock.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 17, 2016 22:36:09 GMT
and you descend into insults the instant you run out of sense
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 22:43:45 GMT
and you descend into insults the instant you run out of sense Its all the likes of you are worth matey. Some of the vitriol you and peterboat write is disgusting. People are homeless, through no fault of their own in many cases. They make the best of what they can. The very least they get when doing so, is retaining a bit of dignity. It seems you would even like to see that taken away.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 17, 2016 22:58:32 GMT
Just watched you on the other channel and your arse was handed to you in a sling over there as well. Clearly the majority of boaters believe that John, Ross and I are right and you two have your head in the clouds. The stats I posted earlier prove that CRT are moving or re-educating non compliant boaters. I agree 20 miles isnt in the act but onward navigation does mean just that. Lets just hope NBTA doesnt wind up the authorities and an amendment to the act make boaters life really difficult!! Because at the moment the compliant boaters dont seem to have any problems at all do they?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 23:01:11 GMT
Just watched you on the other channel and your arse was handed to you in a sling over there as well. Clearly the majority of boaters believe that John, Ross and I are right and you two have your head in the clouds. The stats I posted earlier prove that CRT are moving or re-educating non compliant boaters. I agree 20 miles isnt in the act but onward navigation does mean just that. Lets just hope NBTA doesnt wind up the authorities and an amendment to the act make boaters life really difficult!! Because at the moment the compliant boaters dont seem to have any problems at all do they? Lol. Your education at Aston was obviously not up to scratch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 2:12:26 GMT
Because at the moment the compliant boaters dont seem to have any problems at all do they? Not true. TBH having read most of your posts I really don't think you have a clue what you are talking about and I"m not convinced about your boating experience based on what you say. You probably won't take this on board but you might see a different picture if you went out there, did some cruising and talk to the type of boaters you seem to have a problem with. Maybe attend an NBTA meeting to learn the other side of the story. My guess is that people like you are too afraid to learn the truth because it might reveal you are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 6:30:51 GMT
Just watched you on the other channel and your arse was handed to you in a sling over there as well. Clearly the majority of boaters believe that John, Ross and I are right and you two have your head in the clouds. The stats I posted earlier prove that CRT are moving or re-educating non compliant boaters. I agree 20 miles isnt in the act but onward navigation does mean just that. Lets just hope NBTA doesnt wind up the authorities and an amendment to the act make boaters life really difficult!! Because at the moment the compliant boaters dont seem to have any problems at all do they? There you go again Peter,I have posted above only for your benefit and you have chosen to ignore me to instead go on the offensive talking the same rubbish you started off with.You are wrong on every point you raise,compliant boaters such as myself do have problems. Boats with a home mooring for example are now treated the same way as Continuous Cruisers,are you aware of that?
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Post by JohnV on Apr 18, 2016 7:50:29 GMT
and you descend into insults the instant you run out of sense Its all the likes of you are worth matey. Some of the vitriol you and peterboat write is disgusting. People are homeless, through no fault of their own in many cases. They make the best of what they can. The very least they get when doing so, is retaining a bit of dignity. It seems you would even like to see that taken away. The only "Vitriol" on this thread is coming from you You need to take lessons from CDS who has a similar stance but uses reasoned argument instead of abuse........I bet he gets his view considered a damn sight more than you
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 8:12:31 GMT
Its all the likes of you are worth matey. Some of the vitriol you and peterboat write is disgusting. People are homeless, through no fault of their own in many cases. They make the best of what they can. The very least they get when doing so, is retaining a bit of dignity. It seems you would even like to see that taken away. The only "Vitriol" on this thread is coming from you You need to take lessons from CDS who has a similar stance but uses reasoned argument instead of abuse........I bet he gets his view considered a damn sight more than you
I know Jenlyn has spoken to many boaters like the ones you and Peter seem to have a problem with. He has helped many elderly boaters and other boaters who have had problems. He's also attended many meetings with CRT personal (including Mr Parry) to try to get them to see the truth. What experience do you and Peter have to back up your assumptions?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 8:28:46 GMT
Its all the likes of you are worth matey. Some of the vitriol you and peterboat write is disgusting. People are homeless, through no fault of their own in many cases. They make the best of what they can. The very least they get when doing so, is retaining a bit of dignity. It seems you would even like to see that taken away. The only "Vitriol" on this thread is coming from you You need to take lessons from CDS who has a similar stance but uses reasoned argument instead of abuse........I bet he gets his view considered a damn sight more than you
We all mean well John and probably agree over more issues than we disagree and to be fair Peter has his opinions which are as relevant as everyone else's and I am sure he doesn't need me to tell him that. The problem is he comes across as lacking any idea of the issues he posts about and when you try and tell him these issues are not so black and white as they appear he won't acknowledge that fact and instead talks of his wealth and three pensions which annoys people right away because they take these issues seriously.I have went into the basic details of the issues several times in an attempt to focus on them but sadly to no avail and then we end up sniping at each other.Can I say I am as guilty as anyone else but everyone is here for some constructive debate,comment and information and we are letting each other down when we don't provide that.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 18, 2016 8:33:41 GMT
Just this year the EO had to move off 3 boats from visitor moorings, they were constant cruisers that had set up home there, 2 were livaboards the 3rd was a move and dumper who didnt want to pay for winter moorings. All 3 were trying to use the floods in one direction to increase their already over 2 weeks overstay. The EO moved them on with warnings. The boaters on the home moorings said these three were constant overstayers and they were sick to death of them. This is the most recent of my experiences with constant moorers. I have had lots of previous with little villages on my travels. Even now there is a boat dumped on a 48 hr visitor mooring near me its been there over a week, why there when they could moor on the other side for 14 days? and attract no attention from CRT. I now have lost interest in this thread so enjoy yourselves at the meetings Norty fox keeps asking for details press releases etc and non are forthcoming so 250 people wasted a saturday? I wont say boaters because we dont know that do we?
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Post by peterboat on Apr 18, 2016 8:39:38 GMT
Just watched you on the other channel and your arse was handed to you in a sling over there as well. Clearly the majority of boaters believe that John, Ross and I are right and you two have your head in the clouds. The stats I posted earlier prove that CRT are moving or re-educating non compliant boaters. I agree 20 miles isnt in the act but onward navigation does mean just that. Lets just hope NBTA doesnt wind up the authorities and an amendment to the act make boaters life really difficult!! Because at the moment the compliant boaters dont seem to have any problems at all do they? Lol. Your education at Aston was obviously not up to scratch. I did post on the other channel what school I went to when talking to another boater from the area, 9 O levels and some A levels gained in the ARMY have never been asked for, so maybe the time was wasted. But I have set up and sold a couple of businesses so maybe they helped there who knows and I dont care.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 8:48:55 GMT
Just this year the EO had to move off 3 boats from visitor moorings, they were constant cruisers that had set up home there, 2 were livaboards the 3rd was a move and dumper who didnt want to pay for winter moorings. All 3 were trying to use the floods in one direction to increase their already over 2 weeks overstay. The EO moved them on with warnings. The boaters on the home moorings said these three were constant overstayers and they were sick to death of them. This is the most recent of my experiences with constant moorers. I have had lots of previous with little villages on my travels. Even now there is a boat dumped on a 48 hr visitor mooring near me its been there over a week, why there when they could moor on the other side for 14 days? and attract no attention from CRT. I now have lost interest in this thread so enjoy yourselves at the meetings Norty fox keeps asking for details press releases etc and non are forthcoming so 250 people wasted a saturday? I wont say boaters because we dont know that do we? So most of this is based on a rant from an EO. Have you directly spoken to any of the boaters you mention? Was this your only experience? BTW. There are lots of ex service live aboards out there. Have you spoken to any of them?
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Post by kris on Apr 18, 2016 8:53:19 GMT
I thought you had enough of this thread Peter, I'd hope that would mean you stop posting your drivel. For the people who are interested, I found Saturday very informative and didn't feel like I'd waisted my time at all ,but hey I was there not just comenting from a distance through the internet. The boaters I talked too from all over the country, all had one thing in common concern over the state of the waterways under Crt governance. I think the people who come to the water just for cheap housing, don't stay long. As we all know boating can be hard work. Personally I think the influx of new blood represented in London is a good thing. If Crt didn't have an agenda to sell every available piece of land off to property developers, they might realise this. Anyway I've waffled on long enough . Oh for people who didn't realise, It wasn't just boaters on sat,there where alsorts of people representing all sorts of groups . The common theme being dissatisfaction with the policies that put profits before people.
Regards kris
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