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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 13:59:33 GMT
I've had a look at the few winter mooorings locally, there are not many marinas either, but I really can't see any advantage, Skipton is nice enough for a few days, but not for months on end. Social advantage v cost, I don't get it. I might end up in a marina lined up like a sardine in a tin, next to a jolly couple, or next to someone who is anti social in boating terms. I might pop in to a marina for a week or so if I need services, but I am essentially self contained, I thought that was the point of living on a narrow boat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 14:18:12 GMT
I set off to potter along for maybe two hours en route to the next sanitation station, passing one which is officially closed, but I am (boater advised) can still be used! This is the L&L, with the usual pattern of broken structures and varied types of leaking locks. Paired up with a hire boat land crewed by diminutive lady who was struggling to use the windlass, progress slow. A guy came along and instructed us to stop for fifteen minutes, until he returned (water), assumed he was CRT employee, in mufti. We stopped as instructed but later, much later, decided to press on, so lock 2 took us to an hour's travel, and about 200m. CRT guy re-appeared, explained something, which neither of us could comprehend, more water problems, also boater problems. Advised us we could use the next lock only if we knew exactly what we were doing, which obviously "we" did not, a vlockie turned up and was asked to re-set the paddles, which he did, but did not stay to help, but reappeared later. Our land crew, one small, elderly lady only ever did the turning of her windlass, usually one side at a time, and slowly, which meant each lock took at least an hour to fill. Husband, much fitter seemed oblivious to her struggles and twice I remonstrated with him, as she was physically unable to work the locks and levers, she struggled to push the beams. He seemed oblivious, he chatted merrily to me all day, it was a long day. Eventually got through six locks, three miles, in six hours. Another boater did help us, for a bit, but only because we were holding him up. I can't imagine how anyone could think this type of boating is fun, I had dinner at 5.00 pm, and went to bed early. Singlehanding, as I do, I am most grateful for all assistance, and try to re-pay as much as I can, particularly hire boaters but I try not to slow others progress, and happilly wait around, or help established pairs through. It has been suggested that the L&L is not great for genuine cc boaters singlehanding, but it is close to family, so I hoped it would prove suitable for restricted winter cruising, I can see me bridge hopping in the Skipton area from November to March, stoppages permitting. Am I right in reading that you stayed on your boat too, or did you get off with your windlass and work one side at least? We were working up towards the summit, fairly leaky and ferocious locks, there was liitlle opportunity for me to assist, particularly as diminutive lady crew was often only working one door paddle. She I'd not work the ground paddles. Her husband was the youngest and fittest of the three of us, I would not have paired up out of choice, but that was the way it worked out. With an experienced and reliable helmsman in the hire boat, I could have worked the locks, but he had absolutely no experience, and no understanding of locking, so I was not willing to leave my boat in the lock, while he charged up and down within it, not realising that his to-ing and fro-ing was causing my boat to hit the doors fore and aft. I would normally have let them go on, and stay behind, but not possible in that situation.
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Post by Jim on Sept 17, 2021 14:27:05 GMT
Am I right in reading that you stayed on your boat too, or did you get off with your windlass and work one side at least? We were working uo towards the summit, and there was liitlle opportunity for me to assist, particularly as diminutive lady crew was only working one side paddle, and her husband was the youngest and fittest of the three of us, I would not have paired up out of choice, but that was the way it worked out. With an experienced and reliable helmsman in the hire boat, I could have worked the locks, but he had no experience, and no understanding of locking, so I was not willing to leave my boat in the lock, while he charged up and down within it, not realising that his to-ing and fro-ing was causing my boat to hit the doors fore and aft. Fair enough. Single handing isn't hard using a centre line, soon get used to how it reacts, how much to lift paddles. Start slow. I tend to use my centre line tied off towards the rear of the boat so it can't pull forwards much as it rises -or falls if going down, a long diagonal allows the boat to drop without hanging up, a good few on the Rochdale are 10 ft or so. How long is your boat? Mine is only 35ft so I don't have much to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 14:37:32 GMT
We were working uo towards the summit, and there was liitlle opportunity for me to assist, particularly as diminutive lady crew was only working one side paddle, and her husband was the youngest and fittest of the three of us, I would not have paired up out of choice, but that was the way it worked out. With an experienced and reliable helmsman in the hire boat, I could have worked the locks, but he had no experience, and no understanding of locking, so I was not willing to leave my boat in the lock, while he charged up and down within it, not realising that his to-ing and fro-ing was causing my boat to hit the doors fore and aft. Fair enough. Single handing isn't hard using a centre line, soon get used to how it reacts, how much to lift paddles. Start slow. I tend to use my centre line tied off towards the rear of the boat so it can't pull forwards much as it rises -or falls if going down, a long diagonal allows the boat to drop without hanging up, a good few on the Rochdale are 10 ft or so. How long is your boat? Mine is only 35ft so I don't have much to worry about. It's 57ft, quite big enough, agree that something about 52 ft would be better, however I have two good strong centre ropes, one good long, thick braid, so I can hold the boat if singlehanding in a double lock, as on the Aire and Calder where things work! Not so on the L&L, where it is much better to pair up. Most hire boats are well crewed and enthusiastic, the locks are very leaky, and the sluices can be ferocious. If I feel confident to operate the locks, I am happy to do so, but not all the locks are easy, that is why the CRT often have a roving staff member to keep an eye on things.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Sept 17, 2021 17:31:45 GMT
Not sure if you are having a dig at me or anyone who wants to live on their boat but not in a marina? It's not always an easy option, but I think that forward planning is probably going to be more enjoyable than hiding under a bridge. The CRT do offer winter moorings, not in the spirit of boosting boaters wellbeing, but in the spirit of increasing their own income from licence holders. I believe some of these moorings turn in to lines of moored boats, occupied or otherwise and accessed by muddy footpaths, so absolutely not what I want. No not a dig at you particularly, but you did say you might bridge hop and Peterboat suggested it is acceptable. Those who have paid to do the correct thing in the spirit of the T&C’s might disagree. Free loading because it is easy to get away with or because it suits an individual isn’t always justifiable. Stoppages aside of course. It’s also perfectly acceptable to not wish to be in a marina but in that case winter needs to be planned for. I would suggest that C&RT are trying to be fair to all. Same old C&RT apologist script, . . same old guff about the "spirit" of C&RT's ever changing, ever more unreasonable, and ever more legally unenforceable extra statutory pleasure boat licence T&C's. The one and only thing that C&RT are "trying" to do -- and ARE succeeding in -- is to establish just how much they can get away with NOT doing in terms of routine preventative maintenance, . . and to what extent the gullible pleasure boating public will continue to pay for something they're not getting, whilst at the same time, continuing meekly to swallow all the ever more lame excuses for the ever increasing numbers of stoppages brought about by nothing other than planned neglect.
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Post by Jim on Sept 17, 2021 18:08:54 GMT
Not sure if you are having a dig at me or anyone who wants to live on their boat but not in a marina? It's not always an easy option, but I think that forward planning is probably going to be more enjoyable than hiding under a bridge. The CRT do offer winter moorings, not in the spirit of boosting boaters wellbeing, but in the spirit of increasing their own income from licence holders. I believe some of these moorings turn in to lines of moored boats, occupied or otherwise and accessed by muddy footpaths, so absolutely not what I want. No not a dig at you particularly, but you did say you might bridge hop and Peterboat suggested it is acceptable. Those who have paid to do the correct thing in the spirit of the T&C’s might disagree. Free loading because it is easy to get away with or because it suits an individual isn’t always justifiable. Stoppages aside of course. It’s also perfectly acceptable to not wish to be in a marina but in that case winter needs to be planned for. I would suggest that C&RT are trying to be fair to all. The original Act cannot be overridden with T&C's, no matter how much spirit has been consumed. If CRT want us to abide by the law they should set an example. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 18:13:56 GMT
T&Cs
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Post by Jim on Sept 17, 2021 19:02:02 GMT
ja mein rechtschreiboffizier
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:06:54 GMT
My worst day boating was worse than I had imagined it would be.
Ran out of essential supplies without an essential supplies shop nearby.
Had to call in the army to deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:11:35 GMT
My worst day boating was worse than I had imagined it would be. Ran out of essential supplies without an essential supplies shop nearby. Had to call in the army to deal with it. I'm happy to say, I've never run out of essential supplies, come close a few times, the main one was having you onboard for the day!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:14:46 GMT
My worst day boating was worse than I had imagined it would be. Ran out of essential supplies without an essential supplies shop nearby. Had to call in the army to deal with it. I'm happy to say, I've never run out of essential supplies, come close a few times, the main one was having you onboard for the day! There was a beer shop 2 minutes and 38 seconds away by foot with a good fridge when the emergency occurred at the marina mooring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:22:39 GMT
Frankly I don't see how CRT can be expected to live up to their obligations if they are criticised by a bunch of illiterates who consistently fail to use an apostrophe correctly. It just isn't good enough. The fabric of society is at stake. I've said it before and I'll say it again - complacent use of grammar will reap the language you deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:25:24 GMT
Grammar Twat
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:34:27 GMT
He has got a point though to be fair.
Not a lot of people know the impact of poor grammar and spelling and punctuation on a nation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:36:10 GMT
Grammar Twats mate…
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