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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 17:05:37 GMT
He got a Whole Life Tariff. Nobody on a WLT has ever been released. He'll be lucky if he does 12-15 years before another con kills him. I think you need to read the posts above. Reggie kray and three IRA members have been realeased on a whole life tariff. Ps you’ll probably get a whole life tariff when Tony drags you into court.😀 Now now, young Kris. There appears to be a cease-fire (temporarily, I'm sure).
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Post by kris on Oct 4, 2021 17:22:48 GMT
I think you need to read the posts above. Reggie kray and three IRA members have been realeased on a whole life tariff. Ps you’ll probably get a whole life tariff when Tony drags you into court.😀 Now now, young Kris. There appears to be a cease-fire (temporarily, I'm sure). Don’t you mean Tony is having his afternoon nap?
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Post by thebfg on Oct 4, 2021 17:24:46 GMT
He’s not going to do 40 years he will do 12-15 maximum. Still a long time, but less than 40. He got a Whole Life Tariff. Nobody on a WLT has ever been released. He'll be lucky if he does 12-15 years before another con kills him. I think your first statement is correct. AFAIK the krays were given life sentences with a minimum term of 30 years, the IRA bombers I have no idea who they are so can't really say if it's right or not. I was sure there was one so I've done some reading and there is one who has had his sentence overturned. David Beiber, he manged to appeal his whole life sentence and it was changed to a life sentence with a minimum term of 37 years. But, he hasn't been released yet. He will be 75 in 2041 when his minimum term is up. They may or may not release him, there are a few murders who are being imprisoned after their minimum term is up. If he is released, the USA will seek to extradite him where he will be sentenced for two more murders, they have already said he won't receive the death penalty. Probably to smooth over an extradition.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 4, 2021 18:02:31 GMT
He got a Whole Life Tariff. Nobody on a WLT has ever been released. He'll be lucky if he does 12-15 years before another con kills him. I think you need to read the posts above. Reggie kray and three IRA members have been realeased on a whole life tariff. Ps you’ll probably get a whole life tariff when Tony drags you into court.😀 Some of the Irish had their whole life tariffs reversed as part of the Good Friday Agreement but I think you'll find that while Reggie Kray was serving a life sentence, he wasn't on a whole life tariff, they aren't the same thing.
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Post by kris on Oct 4, 2021 18:06:12 GMT
I think you need to read the posts above. Reggie kray and three IRA members have been realeased on a whole life tariff. Ps you’ll probably get a whole life tariff when Tony drags you into court.😀 Some of the Irish had their whole life tariffs reversed as part of the Good Friday Agreement but I think you'll find that while Reggie Kray was serving a life sentence, he wasn't on a whole life tariff, they aren't the same thing. so why did reggie kray do 32 years when he was given 30years? He was given a wlt by the Home Secretary, which was then repealed on compassionate grounds because of terminal cancer.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 4, 2021 18:10:54 GMT
Some of the Irish had their whole life tariffs reversed as part of the Good Friday Agreement but I think you'll find that while Reggie Kray was serving a life sentence, he wasn't on a whole life tariff, they aren't the same thing. so why did reggie kray do 32 years when he was given 30years? He was given a wlt by the Home Secretary, which was then repealed on compassionate grounds because of terminal cancer. He received a life sentence with a recommendation that he served at least 30 years. He isn't on Wiki's list of prisoners who received whole life tariffs. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole-life_orders
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Post by thebfg on Oct 4, 2021 18:11:17 GMT
It's a minimum term not a maximum, you have to ask the parole board, incidentally his parole officer said he should have been freed after 30 years.
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Post by kris on Oct 4, 2021 18:18:11 GMT
so why did reggie kray do 32 years when he was given 30years? He was given a wlt by the Home Secretary, which was then repealed on compassionate grounds because of terminal cancer. He received a life sentence with a recommendation that he served at least 30 years. He isn't on Wiki's list of prisoners who received whole life tariffs. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole-life_orders we all know wiki is 100% right. But if you click on the link you probably bided and go down to whole life tariffs quashed and click the link it tells you the names of everyone who has had one quashed. Including the members of the ira.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 4, 2021 18:23:31 GMT
Thank you.
But like I said they are a red herring. Our murdering policeman hasen't got a chance of being released in the terms of an agreement to end a 30+ year conflict.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 4, 2021 18:34:22 GMT
Thank you. But like I said they are a red herring. Our murdering policeman hasen't got a chance of being released in the terms of an agreement to end a 30+ year conflict. Although the Krays were undoubtedly a piece of work, they did not commit the totally egregious types of murder which normally attract a whole life tariff in that their victims were all equally gangland scumbags, whose passing did not attract any great public opprobrium. There's a world of difference between killing a member of a rival gang in a turf war and kidnapping, raping and killing a middle-class woman minding her own business by posing as an on-duty police officer. Wayne Couzens will undoubtedly be No 1 target for any con looking to make a reputation for himself, his crime alone would be enough but police officers are also hated in prison. Put the two together...
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Post by thebfg on Oct 4, 2021 18:36:04 GMT
Thank you. But like I said they are a red herring. Our murdering policeman hasen't got a chance of being released in the terms of an agreement to end a 30+ year conflict. Although the Krays were undoubtedly a piece of work, they did not commit the totally egregious types of murder which normally attract a whole life tariff in that their victims were all equally gangland scumbags, whose passing did not attract any great public opprobrium. There's a world of difference between killing a member of a rival gang in a turf war and kidnapping, raping and killing a white middle-class woman by posing as an on-duty police officer. Wayne Couzens will undoubtedly No 1 target for any con looking to make a reputation for himself, his crime alone would be enough but police officers are also hated in prison. Put the two together... I agree.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 4, 2021 19:39:54 GMT
Just going back to the women feeling safe thing, this is the latest news clip about the Tory conference:
“According to a report in The Times newspaper, Ms Cowton was in the hotel bar - one of the main destinations at the autumn political gathering - when a drunk man in his 30s, sat in a seat vacated by her friend. She said he made her so uncomfortable that she asked him "several times politely to leave" and when he refused to do so, she took his phone and dropped it on the floor. "He went to retrieve it and then he came back and attacked me," Ms Cowton told the paper. “
So someone sat in an empty chair at a reception. It’s not an unreasonable thing to do. The lady in question objected and made a physical action to throw his phone onto the floor, and then seemed surprised when he became angry with her and took physical actions against her. This is the thing with some women, they think they can take physical action against a man and not expect to receive physical action in retaliation. A man doing same would expect to receive physical retaliation and would thus probably not embark on the course of action in the first place.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 4, 2021 20:07:40 GMT
Fascinating piece of video here showing the moment the Police sprung their trap on Wayne Couzens at his home. The line of questioning by the lead detective is sublime, totally neutral, factual and non-aggressive, and yet it brings out a confession, if only partial, as to Couzens' involvement in little more than two minutes. Although it can't clearly be seen, I imagine the second photo the detective shows him is the bus footage because Couzens visibly crumbles at this point as he realises the game's up. news.sky.com/video/sarah-everard-murder-wayne-couzens-police-interview-in-full-12422146
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Post by thebfg on Oct 4, 2021 23:08:27 GMT
There was no emotion in that at all.
Your right about the picture, he went from denial to confessing. In seconds.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 5, 2021 7:56:43 GMT
Just going back to the women feeling safe thing, this is the latest news clip about the Tory conference: “According to a report in The Times newspaper, Ms Cowton was in the hotel bar - one of the main destinations at the autumn political gathering - when a drunk man in his 30s, sat in a seat vacated by her friend. She said he made her so uncomfortable that she asked him "several times politely to leave" and when he refused to do so, she took his phone and dropped it on the floor. "He went to retrieve it and then he came back and attacked me," Ms Cowton told the paper. “ So someone sat in an empty chair at a reception. It’s not an unreasonable thing to do. The lady in question objected and made a physical action to throw his phone onto the floor, and then seemed surprised when he became angry with her and took physical actions against her. This is the thing with some women, they think they can take physical action against a man and not expect to receive physical action in retaliation. A man doing same would expect to receive physical retaliation and would thus probably not embark on the course of action in the first place. Fair logic, not something you would ever hear/ see on the beeb. To them, if a women feels uncomfortable in the presence of a man, even if the man is unaware of the presence of the woman, he's just going about his normal business, he's guilty. If there's no crime currently on the statute book to cover his apparent misdeed one should be created. To sum up: If a woman feels uncomfortable with a man for any reason whatsoever this is the fault of the man. If a woman says she feels uncomfortable, this is irrefutable evidence that a man has committed either 1/ a crime 2/ something that should be a crime.
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