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Post by Jim on Oct 10, 2021 19:18:13 GMT
There are other cc able waterways in the NW, the Rochdale between sowerby and Littleborough, there seem to be a few. How long is your boat? Wide or Narrow?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 22:49:11 GMT
no private boater is going to navigate the river Hull in the dark unless he is crazy and that certainly includes me We all know you are crazy but you shouldn't advertise the fact
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Post by JohnV on Oct 11, 2021 6:48:15 GMT
There is a question with access to the river Hull as the Harbour Master now only works daytime tides (Council Position) Without doing a trip to research in the Museum, I am fairly certain that the Old Harbour of the River Hull is classed as a Port of Refuge. There are no lock gates but there are swing bridges. (on a very big tide Sabina needs them opening) Above the old harbour there are many more bridges that need to be swung .... again an interesting legal position as bridge keepers, until very recently operated an hour before to two hours after every tide (although you did need to give 24 hours notice) and these are now only daytime tides and this waterway was granted a right of navigation back to Henry VIII day where river traffic has right of way over bridge use.. Without commercial interests being effected, it is very unlikely this will change, A cash strapped council is not going to take a blind bit of notice of private boaters without a legal ruling against them .... there is only a handful of larger private vessels that will have a problem (and to be honest no private boater is going to navigate the river Hull in the dark unless he is crazy and that certainly includes me) John only crazy people navigate the Ouse in the dark as the navigation lights are broken or covered by greenery!!!! Now remind which fools where playing in the dark on the Ouse? agree Peter but remember we were there in the dark because, we ran out of water (again because of CRT's lack of maintenance causing obscured markers meaning we got out of the channel and went aground) and were much later than planned getting to Goole ..... and now if we did that the lock keeper would be off duty and we would have had to go all the way down to Blacktoft to find somewhere to tie up or into the Trent to anchor near Apex !!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 14:50:56 GMT
Is all our travail turn'd to this effect? After the slaughter of so many peers, So many captains, gentlemen and soldiers, That in this quarrel have been overthrown And sold their bodies for their country's benefit, Shall we at last conclude effeminate peace? Have we not lost most part of all the towns, By treason, falsehood and by treachery, Our great progenitors had conquered? O Warwick, Warwick! I foresee with grief The utter loss of all the realm of France.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 15:00:59 GMT
There are other cc able waterways in the NW, the Rochdale between sowerby and Littleborough, there seem to be a few. How long is your boat? Wide or Narrow? It's 57ft, narrow, but I'm keen to avoid hard work, just pottering along, enjoying the view with a safe, quiet mooring is my plan. Anyhow, there's not much choice, currently lashed to a swing bridge lock landing while the water drains away, I'm not aground...... yet 🙄 Might be here a while.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 15:05:49 GMT
Looking at the video footage, if you're Wigan side of Church, I'd be getting off that canal ... looks a longish job.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 11, 2021 20:07:05 GMT
It doesn't close itself, . . does it ! If the tide lock onto the River Douglas at Tarleton, and the tide gate in the Savick Brook aren't available and open to navigation at tide time on every day of the year, as they both should be under C&RT's customary obligations as a navigation/harbour authority, then it's C&RT that's failing in its customary duty to provide passage through a tidal lock or through a tide gate under its sole control at all times when the state of the tide allows such passage. in regards to the sea lock. Isn't it much easier to get to Preston marina and seek haven there. On the river wouldn't boaters seek help at Douglas marine? You're barking up the wrong tree, . . this isn't about where vessels would or should 'seek haven' if the necessity arose, . . it's about the fact that the ONLY 'sea lock' on the whole of the route between the Lancaster Canal and the Leeds & Liverpool is the 250(+) year old lock at the top end of the navigable River Douglas at Tarleton. The new tide gate in Savick Brook is NOT a 'sea lock', . . it isn't even a lock. What C&RT disingenuously call "Lock No. 9 - the sea lock" on the so-called 'Ribble Link' is NOT in fact a lock at all. It's a half-tide barrier and gate forming an obstruction to the passage of vessels on a waterway where the tide, and any vessel navigating on the tide, formerly would have had free unhindered passage, prior to the obstruction being constructed. By declaring that tidal waterway, Savick Brook, to be closed and/or refusing to open that half-tide gate on demand at any time, C&RT are denying the absolute unassailable right to free navigation ANYWHERE where the tide runs at ANY time, . . a right to navigate that has existed from 'time immemorial'.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 11, 2021 20:18:50 GMT
in regards to the sea lock. Isn't it much easier to get to Preston marina and seek haven there. On the river wouldn't boaters seek help at Douglas marine? By declaring that tidal waterway, Savick Brook, to be closed and/or refusing to open that half-tide gate on demand at any time, C&RT are denying the absolute unassailable right to free navigation ANYWHERE where the tide runs at ANY time, . . a right to navigate that has existed from 'time immemorial'. I would very much doubt that you have ever transited the Ribble Link but I can tell you that around six CRT employees are required to get boats through it. It is a difficult passage which requires navigational conditions to be near perfect. I can understand why it would not be practical to allow passage to one boat on an inclement day in November or February. You can't but that's simply because you don't understand the first thing about boats or boating.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 11, 2021 20:29:57 GMT
The Ribble link is closed for the winter ... it is closed every winter. I don't operate it ... I don't make the rules ... I don't even use it. I just know it's closed as thebfg has said. Rog ETA I believe the Liverpool link also closes for the winter even though some boats spend winter in the docks by arrangement (stranded because the link is closed until April) Completely irrelevant, including the nonsense about boats being "stranded" in the old South Docks if the so-called 'Liverpool Link' is closed. The 'Liverpool Link' is a short length of newly constructed canal connecting two of Liverpool's old South Docks, whereas the Lancaster Canal end of the so-called 'Ribble link' is a tidal waterway obstructed by a half-tide gate that hinders, or prevents, navigation if it isn't opened on demand at any time. See also (above) my post immediately prior to this one.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 11, 2021 20:43:04 GMT
The Ribble link is closed for the winter ... it is closed every winter. I don't operate it ... I don't make the rules ... I don't even use it. I just know it's closed as thebfg has said. Rog ETA I believe the Liverpool link also closes for the winter even though some boats spend winter in the docks by arrangement (stranded because the link is closed until April) The 'Liverpool Link' is a short length of newly constructed canal connecting two of Liverpool's old South Docks, whereas the Lancaster Canal end of the so-called 'Ribble link' is a tidal waterway obstructed by a half-tide gate that hinders, or prevents, navigation if it isn't opened on demand at any time. Says the parasite who lost his boat because he refused to pay his way. Perhaps the staff required to operate the Ribble Link should work for nothing, eh Tony?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 4:40:39 GMT
Socks
Are you facing the breach and if not can you move? What's the local situation in terms of access, shops etc?
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Post by patty on Oct 12, 2021 7:07:08 GMT
There are other cc able waterways in the NW, the Rochdale between sowerby and Littleborough, there seem to be a few. How long is your boat? Wide or Narrow? It's 57ft, narrow, but I'm keen to avoid hard work, just pottering along, enjoying the view with a safe, quiet mooring is my plan. Anyhow, there's not much choice, currently lashed to a swing bridge lock landing while the water drains away, I'm not aground...... yet 🙄 Might be here a while. If u get stuck there is it an ok place to be stuck for months?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 7:17:50 GMT
The Ribble and Liverpool links are both Millenium projects, opened just after 2000 for six months a year, both being closed over winter.
C&RT have not decided to close the links in some kind of power grab, they have always been closed over winter ... indeed there are occasions during summer when the links have to be closed due to prevailing conditions, and booked passages are delayed.
I have no idea and no interest in navigation and access from the sea ... we are discussing the canal link, Rufford to Lancaster, and the link is closed in winter as it has been since opening in 2002.
It also looks like the Leeds & Liverpool East will also now be closed for the winter ... perhaps criticism of C&RT would be better and more accurately focussed on the possible lack of preventative maintenance in relation to culverts, rather than criticising the closure of the Ribble link for the winter.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 12, 2021 7:52:13 GMT
The Ribble and Liverpool links are both Millenium projects, opened just after 2000 for six months a year, both being closed over winter. C&RT have not decided to close the links in some kind of power grab, they have always been closed over winter ... indeed there are occasions during summer when the links have to be closed due to prevailing conditions, and booked passages are delayed. I have no idea and no interest in navigation and access from the sea ... we are discussing the canal link, Rufford to Lancaster, and the link is closed in winter as it has been since opening in 2002. It also looks like the Leeds & Liverpool East will also now be closed for the winter ... perhaps criticism of C&RT would be better and more accurately focussed on the possible lack of preventative maintenance in relation to culverts, rather than criticising the closure of the Ribble link for the winter. Rog Is this the same CRT that Kris and others tell me have billions to spare? maybe they can make a couple of executives redundant and that will give them the millions needed to repair this latest breach
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Post by kris on Oct 12, 2021 7:55:06 GMT
The Ribble and Liverpool links are both Millenium projects, opened just after 2000 for six months a year, both being closed over winter. C&RT have not decided to close the links in some kind of power grab, they have always been closed over winter ... indeed there are occasions during summer when the links have to be closed due to prevailing conditions, and booked passages are delayed. I have no idea and no interest in navigation and access from the sea ... we are discussing the canal link, Rufford to Lancaster, and the link is closed in winter as it has been since opening in 2002. It also looks like the Leeds & Liverpool East will also now be closed for the winter ... perhaps criticism of C&RT would be better and more accurately focussed on the possible lack of preventative maintenance in relation to culverts, rather than criticising the closure of the Ribble link for the winter. Rog Is this the same CRT that Kris and others tell me have billions to spare? maybe they can make a couple of executives redundant and that will give them the millions needed to repair this latest breach Twat.
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