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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 5, 2022 21:27:24 GMT
But if they can't operate and understand their own stoppage alert system, what chance do we have π€£ Rog . . . so, what makes you think they can operate or understand sensible practical passage scheduling for the Ribble Link either ? Yebbut why do you give a shit, you haven't even got a boat?
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Post by thebfg on Aug 6, 2022 1:22:41 GMT
Fair comment I suppose However I've been travelling around since January without too many problems ... just minor irritations like mixed messages on closures and overgrown locks and bridge holes. And the Millenium Ribble Link has been operating since April with many happy customers ... even if it could be operated more productively. Rog And only 27 crossings left this year. Tony mugged you right off, it was comedy gold and no insults either, we are making progress.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 7:17:03 GMT
True thebfg ... but so far, worth it don't you think ? Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 7:25:28 GMT
And we're sat on a really lovely Friends of the Nene mooring-paid our Β£12 & get to use some cracking places.As a retired teacher,I loved the boat which arrived this evening.Two younger kiddies climbing trees,playing games with a happy little dog etc but best of all-a young teenager who was trying so hard to be mature...but who could not resist the trees & the dawg.Proper fun which made me smile.π At a guess that's Peartree Farm moorings IMO the best one on the Nene
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Aug 6, 2022 10:10:12 GMT
. . . so, what makes you think they can operate or understand sensible practical passage scheduling for the Ribble Link either ? Yebbut why do you give a shit, you haven't even got a boat? Because the half-arsed fashion in which the C&RT goons schedule and dictate timings to pleasure craft making the tidal river passage between Tarleton and the river (Ribble) end of the non-tidal Ribble Link (ie. the short semi-tidal section of Savick Brook below Lock No.8, with the holding basin, the floating pontoon moorings, and the half-tide barrier/gate that C&RT wrongly call Lock No.9) is exposing pleasure craft and crews to the serious and totally unnecessary risk of this sort of thing happening to them : - If you don't understand how or why this sort of thing happens when you're not in the right place at the right time, . . and if you'd like to begin to learn something of the basics of 'working' tides and planning and making tidal river passages in the safest possible, proven, time-honoured way that professionals do, . . reply to this in the Winter CC in the NW thread.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 6, 2022 12:46:10 GMT
Howe do we know that the people who own this boat didn't just stop there as they thought it was a fine place for a picnic when the tide went down? A bit of lawn for the dog to run about on, and a chance to check the rudder and bottom bits at the same time.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 6, 2022 13:22:10 GMT
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Aug 6, 2022 19:19:58 GMT
. . . so, what makes you think they can operate or understand sensible practical passage scheduling for the Ribble Link either ? Yebbut why do you give a shit, you haven't even got a boat? Why do I "give a shit" ? Well, . . I "give a shit" because C&RT's spectacular incompetence and general 'unfitness for purpose' - of which it's proven inability, as a navigation authority and a so-called competent harbour authority, to advise on or operate efficient, safe, and practical passage planning on tidal waters is but one of its many now generally recognised failures - is putting pleasure craft and crews safety at risk by way of leading to serious and potentially very dangerous incidents such as this : -
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 6, 2022 19:31:43 GMT
Yebbut why do you give a shit, you haven't even got a boat? Why do I "give a shit" ? Well, . . I "give a shit" because C&RT's spectacular incompetence and general 'unfitness for purpose' - of which it's proven inability, as a navigation authority and a so-called competent harbour authority, to advise on or operate efficient, safe, and practical passage planning on tidal waters is but one of its many now generally recognised failures - is putting pleasure craft and crews safety at risk by way of leading to serious and potentially very dangerous incidents such as this : - Yes, but it's like this Tony. I don't own a racing greyhound so I don't constantly bombard the Greyhound Racing Association with phone calls and emails demanding to know why greyhound racing at Nottingham Stadium isn't held more often than it is, or why it isn't held at different times of the day. You don't own a boat so why don't you follow my example?
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Aug 6, 2022 20:03:58 GMT
Why do I "give a shit" ? Well, . . I "give a shit" because C&RT's spectacular incompetence and general 'unfitness for purpose' - of which it's proven inability, as a navigation authority and a so-called competent harbour authority, to advise on or operate efficient, safe, and practical passage planning on tidal waters is but one of its many now generally recognised failures - is putting pleasure craft and crews safety at risk by way of leading to serious and potentially very dangerous incidents such as this : - Yes, but it's like this Tony. I don't own a racing greyhound so I don't constantly bombard the Greyhound Racing Association with phone calls and emails demanding to know why greyhound racing at Nottingham Stadium isn't held more often than it is, or why it isn't held at different times of the day. You don't own a boat so why don't you follow my example? Just so that everyone's absolutely clear about this. You don't care about others' safety, or that of their families or their boats' safety, . . and you don't see that C&RT are in any way responsible for the incident in the photo, . . despite the boat crew following C&RT's instructions and operational timing schedules to the letter. Have I got that right ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 20:11:34 GMT
The responsibility for that grounding lies firmly with the navigation/harbour authority of that piece of tidal water for not marking the entrance to the channel and the idiot boater for cutting the corner. No one else.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 6, 2022 20:19:25 GMT
Yes, but it's like this Tony. I don't own a racing greyhound so I don't constantly bombard the Greyhound Racing Association with phone calls and emails demanding to know why greyhound racing at Nottingham Stadium isn't held more often than it is, or why it isn't held at different times of the day. You don't own a boat so why don't you follow my example? Just so that everyone's absolutely clear about this. You don't care about others' safety, or that of their families or their boats' safety, . . and you don't see that C&RT are in any way responsible for the incident in the photo, . . despite the boat crew following C&RT's instructions and operational timing schedules to the letter. Have I got that right ? No, you haven't got it right. You are given three pieces of navigation advice at Tarleton and it's made absolutely clear that it's essential to follow them. 1) On the approach to the Asland Lamp, aim for the central building, the one with the enormous ball on the roof. 2) Go around the outside of the Asland Lamp, not the inside. 3) Don't cut the corner at the approach to Savick Brook, stay mid-channel and make a 90 degree turn and approach it dead straight. The boater in your photo has made a mistake. He didn't follow instruction 3. We all make mistakes and that was his. He would have been floated off on the next tide so it's not the end of the world.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Aug 6, 2022 21:00:07 GMT
If it was a spring tide, which it may well have been if the bank was covered, and the next spring tide was at a lower height, then it is possible he wouldn't have got off at all,or may have required assistance at the very least.. The tide height is often affected by the wind strength and direction as well as its predicted height. So, the devil is in the detail. Do we know whether the boat was assisted on the next flood? Quite so, . . and it would be even more interesting to know if there are/were any recognised/notified/serviceable leading marks to make the entrance, the strength and direction of the wind at the time, the rate and direction of the tide at the time, . . and just how the poor sod was expected to be able to see the grass covered banks on either side, and judge the entrance from them, when they had to have been covered by at least 2' of muddy water that nobody except Superman with his X-ray vision would be able to see through.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Aug 6, 2022 21:20:33 GMT
The responsibility for that grounding lies firmly with the navigation/harbour authority of that piece of tidal water for not marking the entrance to the channel and the idiot boater for cutting the corner. No one else. The navigation/harbour authority responsible for marking the Savick Brook outfall/entrance is C&RT, . . and not being able to see grassy banks submerged under at least 2' of muddy, murky water does NOT make the stranded boat skipper an idiot. Saying that it does says a lot about you, though !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 21:22:58 GMT
There is an upside. Now you know where to dry-dock your boat for free. Just a bit of advance planning and Bob's your tweeker.
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