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Post by Aloysius on Mar 10, 2023 22:18:57 GMT
Mind you it seems some cheeky Albanians had 70M away on their toes because the system wasn't particularly well set up to deal with bogus claims. Shame about the jail time but they were just cannon fodder. Money is gone now someone probably sitting on a nice yacht in the med. Praps. But Mr Noye was driving a brand-new VW one week after release from chokey; maybe they have it sorted in which case a bit of bird isn't a terrible thing. Guvnor.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 10, 2023 22:58:30 GMT
As for the bullshit about the cc ers guess what. They don't have residential moorings. They might live on the boat they might not. How do you think the CRT would know? You really do have issues with the CRT. Of course CC'ers don't have residential moorings, . . that's why they're classed as CC'ers. C&RT know full well which of the CC'ers live on their boats, . . all C&RT boat Licensing Accounts are marked up and recorded as either 'liveaboard' or 'non-liveaboard'. I certainly do have 'issues' with C&RT, . . I have 'issues' with any dishonest, stupid, incompetent, and corrupt organization, . . or individuals who exhibit any of the same traits.
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Post by on Mar 10, 2023 23:42:10 GMT
The theory that the CRT know who is and is not living on boats where the owner had declared no home mooring and their intention to abide by the regulations set out in the '95 act is something I have always been interested by.
This did actually have an effect on me personally some yars ago. At the time I had two boats on waters controlled by the CRT. One was on a residential mooring with appropriate consents and the other was registered as having no home mooring.
I was living on the boat on the mooring and occasionally using the other boat for pleasure.
Things happened and I ended up with enforcement action related to boat not moving enough regarding the boat on the towpath.
In the letter it was stated that as I lived on the boat I would need to seek alternative accommodation as my boat was going to be taken. This letter was sent to my address which was a CRT residential mooring with me as the contract holder.
I did not live on the boat.
Sometimes I don't see it when I am being looked after.
So yes, and no. The CRT know shit all but they know enough shit all to fuck you up if you arrr taking the piss as you have so effectively managed to find out.
I still don't think the CRT do actually know who does and does not live on a boat although I have long suspected that the data collectors have a tick box with something like "does boat look occupied" and I have never been certain that the BS scheme doesn't include an observation of this.
Too much conspiracy and also it is irrelevant.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 11, 2023 10:18:05 GMT
So it seems to me that council tax is in fact required for this. I think so. Technically I live in a house even though I've not been there for years but it's not my house so the rebate will be getting claimed by the owner.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 11, 2023 14:44:00 GMT
Do any of the other required proofs of ID not include an address? I imagine this might be a sticky point since the average constant cruiser will likely be using the address of a friend who has already claimed, be it automatically or otherwise. The 6 alternative forms of proof required to process the application for the £400 EBSS payment are as follows :- 1) Full current UK driving licence (not a provisional driving licence) 2) Utility bill from the past 3 months (cannot be a mobile phone bill or credit card statement) 3) Benefits entitlement letter from the past 6 months 4) Current tenancy agreement 5) Council tax exemption proof such as a bill or letter 6) Signed, dated letter with a letterhead from a boat mooring provider showing your name, address and that you live permanently on a boat on a long-term residential mooring . . . as I said, Council Tax gets only one mention, . . and can therefore be ignored completely if one of the other five can be produced, . . because producing one of the other five is sufficient for a successful application for the £400 EBSS payment. The form of proof for all CC'ers to produce is No. 6), . . . a signed, dated letter with a letterhead from their boat mooring provider, . . the C&RT, . . confirming that the CC'er applicant lives permanently on a residential boat that moves to another different C&RT towpath mooring every 14 days. The problem with that, of course, would be getting the head professional liar at C&RT's so-called Customer/Licence Support department - one Matthew Aymes by (one of his) names - to tell the Government the truth about how C&RT licences CC'ers boats, . . and how easily traceable and identifiable the CC'ers really are. The C&RT - in the shape of vacuous ill-intentioned arseholes such as it's head of so-called Customer/Licence Support, Matthew Aymes - is the only obstacle to CC'ers receiving the £400 EBSS payment. C&RT is lying to and misleading the Government, as senior management (CEO Parry and Company Secretary Deards) have done on numerous previous occasions, about the boat Licences issued to CC'ers, . . and the extent to which CC'ers and their boats are tracked and identified. Being liable for or paying Council Tax IS NOT one of the qualifying criteria for the £400 EBSS payment. This is made quite clear within the context of the 6 alternative forms of proof required to process the application for the £400 EBSS payment successfully, . . No. 5) above :- -- 5) Council tax exemption proof such as a bill or letter -- Together with the fact that the £400 EBSS payment is not means tested, and is something to which everyone is entitled, the word 'exemption' contained within alternative form of proof number 5) leaves the matter in no doubt whatsoever -- CC'ers ARE entitled to the £400 EBSS payment, . . and there is nothing except for C&RT's spiteful petty.minded bias standing in the way of any number of successful applications to the Government's Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy [BEIS] by CC'ers. All that is needed to achieve this is for C&RT to provide CC'ers with a covering letter confirming to the Dept. for BEIS that although they normally move to a different location every 14 days, CC'ers residential boats are identified and tracked at all times, and located on moorings provided and controlled by the C&RT itself. What could be more simple, . . except perhaps for the dull minds of those naysaying this in support of C&RT's current bloody-minded, disingenuous, and typically negative stance on this question.
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Post by on Mar 11, 2023 15:05:17 GMT
Do you understand what council tax exemption is ?
Since you have underlined it you now need to explain to anyone who is unsure what this means.
I can give you a clue if you like.
Your name is on the council tax bill but due to financial circumstances it is paid by the state.
In YOUR NAME.
A council tax exemption letter is proof that you are registered for council tax. The fact the state is paying does not make you "exempt" from being on the list it just means you don't have to pay out of your own pocket.
A cc er who is not on a council tax bill can not get a council tax exemption letter because there is no council tax referring to them that they can be exempt from.
IT IS EXEMPTION FROM PAYING NOT EXEMPTION FROM BEING ON THE REGISTER.
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Post by on Mar 11, 2023 15:08:44 GMT
There are also full exemptions but they do not include people avoiding council tax by living on boats.
from .gov
Some people are not counted (‘disregarded’) when working out how many people live in a property. This means you might be able to apply for a discount on your Council Tax bill if you get one.
You’re disregarded if you’re:
under 18 years old on certain apprentice schemes 18 or 19 years old and in full-time education a full-time student at college or university under 25 years old and get funding from the Education and Skills Funding Agency a student nurse a foreign language assistant registered with the British Council severely mentally impaired a live-in carer for someone who is not your partner, spouse, or child under 18 a diplomat
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 11, 2023 15:14:31 GMT
There are also full exemptions but they do not include people avoiding council tax by living on boats. from .gov Some people are not counted (‘disregarded’) when working out how many people live in a property. This means you might be able to apply for a discount on your Council Tax bill if you get one. You’re disregarded if you’re: under 18 years old on certain apprentice schemes 18 or 19 years old and in full-time education a full-time student at college or university under 25 years old and get funding from the Education and Skills Funding Agency a student nurse a foreign language assistant registered with the British Council severely mentally impaireda live-in carer for someone who is not your partner, spouse, or child under 18 a diplomat I guess this means no-one lives in Tony's house.
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Post by on Mar 11, 2023 15:17:32 GMT
But I bet the name is still on the council tax register.
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Post by on Mar 11, 2023 15:21:42 GMT
I'm only going to believe that claiming the EBSS is possible without council tax registration (payment in your name) if someone can produce the same "application received" page that I had where it does not say "your council will pay". Here it is again
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 11, 2023 15:27:56 GMT
Although, unlike the "I don't need a BSS certificate" fiasco, a CCer adopting this argument doesn't have anything to lose, like a boat; maybe some time. TBH if I was in such a situation I'd try it on. Who knows? But getting CRT to provide a suitably-worded letter might be tricky.
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Post by on Mar 11, 2023 15:37:59 GMT
The CRT won't supply a signed letter to say you have a residential mooring if you don't.
Anyone thinking this might happen is deluded. Never mind.
Worse things happen at sea !
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 11, 2023 15:39:06 GMT
Just googled 'EBSS Decision Appeal'... found this.
"Funded by HM Government, the EBSS Alternative Funding is a one-off, £400, non-repayable discount for eligible households that are still facing increased energy costs, but haven’t received the main EBSS payment automatically to help with their bills between 1 October 2022 and 31 March 2023. The EBSS payment was paid to residents through a discount applied monthly to energy bills.
Some examples of eligible residents include those residents living in a park home, a care home, a houseboat or other properties that may be off the electricity grid.
Payments will be issued following an application process. Individuals will need to submit an application via gov.uk website.
To apply for the EBSS Alternative Funding, please visit gov.uk website and enter “Apply for energy bill support if you do not get it automatically” in the search bar and follow the instructions."
Get cracking Kris, Met, etc. 😃
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Post by on Mar 11, 2023 15:40:24 GMT
Yes but when you get there it actually says a houseboat on a permanent residential mooring licence.
I am also interested in the interpretation of the word "Houseboat".
Presumably this is a floating structure made specifically for residential use. If this were the case (not saying it is) then a narrow boat originally made for pleasure use with such things as a chemical lavatory may not fulfil the required criteria as it is clearly not designed to be continually inhabited.
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 11, 2023 15:43:32 GMT
The CRT won't supply a signed letter to say you have a residential mooring if you don't. Anyone thinking this might happen is deluded. Never mind. Worse things happen at sea ! It would just have to state the facts; that you are a residential boater, do not have a permanent mooring and thus licenced as a 'continuous cruiser'.
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