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Post by on Aug 18, 2023 8:27:01 GMT
another interesting foi would be to ask how much money the CRT spend on waste management (domestic waste bins) per year.
The figure could prove quite eye watering and help explain the cuts. This could be a LOT of money.
Ideally the bins should have small apertures so people can not put sheets of old plywood in them and there should be no room around the bins inside the bin store.
Anyone disposing of non domestic waste beside the bins should be done for fly tipping.
Maybe the bins by the pub are covered by the pub's CCTV system.
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Post by Andyberg on Aug 18, 2023 8:29:01 GMT
Boaters not showing support & encouragement to obvious freeloading parasites trying to find tiny loopholes to avoid paying thus causing CRT to waste tens / hundreds of thousands in legal fees would help too!
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Post by dogless on Aug 18, 2023 8:32:54 GMT
The skips when sited at Sutton Cheney were accessible for emptying (large car park) and were adjacent to the C&RT owned, but leased out cafe (for which a new secured compound has been created for their skips). And CCTV is present on the car park area.
The Lime Kiln site is close to Hinckley making it more easily accessible to none boat users, where as Sutton Cheney Wharf is quite splendidly remote.
I think the solution for now is (to miss quote Roy Scheider) "We're gunner need a bigger bin"
Rog
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Post by on Aug 18, 2023 8:33:08 GMT
Crucifixion is too good for them.
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Post by on Aug 18, 2023 8:34:45 GMT
Maybe the CRT have some recycling obligations which they can't deal with.
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Post by dogless on Aug 18, 2023 9:06:11 GMT
The bottom of the Ashby is very shallow, and I say that even though I know it's a shallow canal.
The moorers have been told that there are plans for dredging, but it will be undertaken over a seven year period.
We were cruising on the S&W from Tixall upto Deptmore lock two years ago and commented about seeing dredging work in progress.
In June/July this year, C&RT staff on a tug were towing boats over a sandbank between Radford Bank and Stafford cruising club ... apparently an outflow from storm drains washing off the estate into the canal.
If this has developed to this extreme in two years, a seven year dredging programme sounds like 'pissing in bed awake' .
Still I'm sure there's years of life left in (most) the system to permit survival until the next 'Golden Age'.
And perhaps those currently persuaded by YouTube and TV to 'live the dream' and sink huge sums into floating homes may be happy to simply live afloat and not travel anyway.
Rog
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Post by on Aug 18, 2023 9:23:01 GMT
I spent part of my first winter on a boat on the Ashby. 94/95. Hancock and Lane Marlin 30ft narrow boat at the time called Annessa. Now called 'Encore' I think it is still about.
Anyway they had been dredging and backfilling the towpaths followed by piling. One of the geysers with the dredging gang pointed out they were getting a lot of large lumps of coal out and it was in the towpath.
I had a few big pieces for the fire. Real coal. Black stuff big lumps which had to be broken down to get on the fire.
Proper antique coal I wish I had kept a piece as a family hairloom.
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Post by Trina on Aug 18, 2023 9:32:19 GMT
CRT shut the bin shed at Burscough Wharf last year, stating there is a skip about a mile further on towards Wigan at Millennium Green. You cannot see the skip from the canal and you would have no clue it is there if you were unfamiliar with the area. Last time we stopped at the skip,it was absolutely rammed.Did have a quick look in case you'd upgraded from a hedge to a skip...🥴
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Post by dogless on Aug 18, 2023 10:01:44 GMT
There are permanent moorers at Lime Kilns pub, so the bin move is a win for them. I'm curious what the purpose of the move was ? Apparently (I'm told) the bin 'contract' costs over £30,000 a year. They haven't saved money as they've only moved it. There's a new steel compound at the pub car park containing the skips, and new signage in the car park (nothing tow path or waterpoint side). And what's the incentive for the pub to have boater waste site in the car park ? Do C&RT own the pub so the occupants have no choice ? As I said earlier, they've moved the facility at whatever cost, not removed it. What's the purpose or benefit ... doesn't make sense. Rog I wonder if there is an intention to at some point secure the bin store with for example an ASSA key and then sell keys to boaters. CRT do have the right to charge for services. Whether people would close up after use is questionable. I imagine the reason for linking it to the pub is increased security and less likelihood of fly tipping. I'm sure that the CRT have significant problems with commercial waste coming from boats being fitted out or refitted. Its bound to happen. No way does a cruising licence cover you for commercial waste disposal. It is an interesting point. At home I pay for rubbish disposal, water and sewage. I stop paying, the services are removed. Perhaps as boaters we have an unrealistic expectation of what C&RT should provide going forward ? Talk of 'rights' and 'duty of care' doesn't apply at home if I don't pay up for basic utilities. Rog ETA I've just been looking at a C&RT mooring that costs nearly £2,000 a year for rings on the offside ... not even vehicle access
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Post by on Aug 18, 2023 10:05:16 GMT
If I don't pay council tax for my mooring they threaten me with fines and prison.
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Post by on Aug 18, 2023 10:06:27 GMT
I've just been looking at a C&RT mooring that costs nearly £2,000 a year for rings on the offside ... not even vehicle access Yes but how much does it cost to rent a grotty little flat in the same postcode area and pay someone else's mortgage? I bet it is more than the boat mooring and you have to pay council tax.
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Post by dogless on Aug 18, 2023 10:17:21 GMT
As you say ... it's not a lifestyle choice for some (many ?) it's a cheaper alternative ... no services but no direct charge for them either.
For sometime now on the boat, when we go out into towns and villages we take a carrier bag of rubbish to refuse bins in the streets to try and keep on top of it.
It's just increasingly difficult to rely solely on boater bins as they are becoming less frequent, and are occasionally overflowing.
Rog
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Post by kris on Aug 18, 2023 10:23:44 GMT
As you say ... it's not a lifestyle choice for some (many ?) it's a cheaper alternative ... no services but no direct charge for them either. For sometime now on the boat, when we go out into towns and villages we take a carrier bag of rubbish to refuse bins in the streets to try and keep on top of it. It's just increasingly difficult to rely solely on boater bins as they are becoming less frequent, and are occasionally overflowing. Rog There will be an increase of people doing the same as yourself, placing small bags into local bins. This will cause a response from the local authorities when it reaches a certain level. Crt are trying to put what is their responsibility onto local authorities. It will not end well, but it will be the boaters who suffer.
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Post by ianali on Aug 18, 2023 10:26:09 GMT
The thing is Andy there is such thing as legal precedent, the fact that they have supplied them for so long would go along way in a properly organized legal challenge. A legal challenge has to have a basis in law. There is no law requiring CRT to provide rubbish (or any other type of) facilities. I am all in favour of encouraging CRT to provide such facilities at reasonable intervals, but not point in getting all “wishful legal” about it. Could be worse, on the River Nene (EA Waters) there are basically no rubbish facilities in what is a 3 or 4 day journey to traverse. Lots of signs saying “take your rubbish home” which is not helpful if you live aboard or are out for a while. The Gt Ouse is marginally better, but still several days between rubbish facilities. We found bins fairly easy to find on the Nene as we tend to use the council ones that are dotted around towns and parklands. Certainly not that many EA facilities. Generally a clean rubbish free river though so it seems to work as it is.
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Post by on Aug 18, 2023 10:29:40 GMT
As you say ... it's not a lifestyle choice for some (many ?) it's a cheaper alternative ... no services but no direct charge for them either. For sometime now on the boat, when we go out into towns and villages we take a carrier bag of rubbish to refuse bins in the streets to try and keep on top of it. It's just increasingly difficult to rely solely on boater bins as they are becoming less frequent, and are occasionally overflowing. Rog There will be an increase of people doing the same as yourself, placing small bags into local bins. This will cause a response from the local authorities when it reaches a certain level. Crt are trying to put what is their responsibility onto local authorities. It will not end well, but it will be the boaters who suffer. Small amenity bins are something which locals take very seriously. I know of several places on the Thames where boaters have used the amenity bins provided by the council and it has caused enormous friction. Its mostly when people leave rubbish piled around the bins rather than in the bins. Trouble.
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