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Post by kris on May 13, 2024 13:00:49 GMT
Do as we say, not as we do? Or a new form of colonialism? You seem hung up on the past.Β You seem hung up on telling the rest of the world what to do?
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Post by brummieboy on May 13, 2024 13:25:27 GMT
Civil disobedience and criminal damage is never the answer to any problems, but when a soft self serving judiciary hands out nothing but warnings and suspended sentences, mere slaps on the wrist, such actions will persist. The time has come to hand out real sentences applicable to the cause. civil disobedience worked well for the suffragettes and for Mahatma Gandhi. Do I need to mention more cases where itβs worked? Oh and by the way, quite a lot of climate protesters are sat in jail right now. History tells us that the actions of the Suffragettes held back emancipation by about 10-15 years. Ghandi and the other cases you've yet to mention (like most of the posters you harangue about specifics) are short of detail. Reports of climate protest convictions show that less than 2% end up in prison, suspended sentences about 20% and the rest of those charged get negligible sentences. Those are the figures peddled by the organisers of JSO and their ilk use to enrol recruits. Very little charges are made to rectify damage. The clean up costs to clean up the MOD offices in London after the pro palestine demonstrations last month was Β£40K. How many were arrested? Nil. And this demonstration was against a war that basically we have no part in and any interest as a country we may have is strictly in accordance with international law and UN policies. Since the Hamas Terrorists' attacks in October, the Metropolitan Policehave had to bear unnecessary costs of more than Β£30 million. This sort of money could go a long way to preventing knife murders and solving burglaries.
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Post by deleted on May 13, 2024 14:02:37 GMT
civil disobedience worked well for the suffragettes and for Mahatma Gandhi. Do I need to mention more cases where itβs worked? Oh and by the way, quite a lot of climate protesters are sat in jail right now. History tells us that the actions of the Suffragettes held back emancipation by about 10-15 years. Great opener. Tell us more.
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Post by kris on May 13, 2024 16:10:26 GMT
History tells us that the actions of the Suffragettes held back emancipation by about 10-15 years.Β Great opener. Tell us more. I kind of doubt it as well. But have found heβs not worth entering into discussion with. He posts wide sweeping generalisations which even when you point out are incorrect, he just blunders on. Itβs pretty well excepted that Mahatma Gandhiβs direct action and civil disobedience helped bring about independence for India. But if you want to argue with 1.4billion Indians then thatβs fine. Some of his ideas and actions are questionable but not that he helped bring about the end of British rule.
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Post by deleted on May 13, 2024 16:18:06 GMT
...must...resist...aaarrrgghhh....
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Post by brummieboy on May 13, 2024 16:39:36 GMT
Analysis of suffrage by Constance Rover covers the history in detail and partly blames the 10 year delay of enactment of the 1918 Act on the public resistance to violence. www.amazon.co.uk/Suffrage-Politics-Britain-1866-1914-Heritage/dp/1487572492. Obviously you have the history of not engaging with people who have a different view to you. anyway, I thought you had me on ignore and was not going to respond any more.
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Post by deleted on May 13, 2024 16:39:37 GMT
And now, for your edification and delight, a rare recording of Emily Pankhurst performing under her lesser-known stage name of Sophie Tucker π
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Post by deleted on May 13, 2024 16:51:28 GMT
Analysis of suffrage by Constance Rover covers the history in detail and partly blames the 10 year delay of enactment of the 1918 Act on the public resistance to violence. www.amazon.co.uk/Suffrage-Politics-Britain-1866-1914-Heritage/dp/1487572492. Obviously you have the history of not engaging with people who have a different view to you. anyway, I thought you had me on ignore and was not going to respond any more. Oh no no, only TD on ignore. I love reading your posts. FYI The London Underground is not a political movement.
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Post by kris on May 13, 2024 17:25:48 GMT
I donβt ignore anyone. I find going around with my fingers in my ears inconvenient.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 19, 2024 14:33:43 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 19, 2024 16:20:50 GMT
Criminal damage, send them to prison.
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Post by brummieboy on Jun 19, 2024 18:05:58 GMT
Criminal damage, send them to prison. When they get to court in about 18 months time, they'll get a softy judge and a suspended sentence probably without any victim surcharge..
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 19, 2024 18:25:18 GMT
If they're lucky enough to be tried in Bristol they'll likely be found not guilty.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 19, 2024 18:30:13 GMT
Criminal damage, send them to prison. It may be a public order offence but it was said on the news that it was some type of water-soluble paint powder which would wash off in the next rainfall so I doubt that a criminal damage charge would stick.
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Post by deleted on Jun 19, 2024 18:43:20 GMT
Aw they shouldn't have revealed that. It really takes the punch out of the public outrage.
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