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Post by peterboat on Apr 25, 2017 7:19:40 GMT
I am putting the Tuk Tuk on the road this year the only speeding fines I will be worrying about are in a 20mph area!!
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 25, 2017 7:31:16 GMT
I think the punishment for overspeeding should be this: the Police tie the leg bottoms with string and drop a badger down your trousers. The time it stays in there depends on what speed you were doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 7:52:55 GMT
I think it's a good thing why should someone who earns millions only pay £100 when another person would struggle to find that £100. Might help fund the justice system better too. Unfortunately the new fines structure doesn't work like that' there is a limit on the fines. So the person who earns millions wont in fact pay a fully proportionate fine. The new system disproportionately hits the less well off harder. Whilst in principle you are totally correct in fact the wealthy wont really be unduly affected more than they are now. www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38731143/rich-drivers-less-affected-by-new-speeding-fines
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 8:07:56 GMT
The same as they do now for fining people who are unemployed? The confusion is caused by talking about 'earning' rather than 'income'.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 25, 2017 8:22:44 GMT
The same as they do now for fining people who are unemployed? The confusion is caused by talking about 'earning' rather than 'income'. I have zero income. What would my fine be based on?
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Post by Jim on Apr 25, 2017 8:28:43 GMT
But the rich are more likely to drive a beamer, they are exempt from any speed or parking regs. Be fair now!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 8:30:46 GMT
The same as they do now for fining people who are unemployed? The confusion is caused by talking about 'earning' rather than 'income'. I have zero income. What would my fine be based on? Why do you keep asking me this?, I suggest you ask the Sentencing Council they make up the guidelines. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/speeding-revised-2017/As I said the last time you asked I guess they will have a contingency for such a scenario based on seizing assets, as to how they determine how many assets they seize for a person who claims to have no income I have no idea as fortunately I have neither ever been fined by a court nor been in a position where I have no income. This link may help. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-material/item/fines-and-financial-orders/approach-to-the-assessment-of-fines-2/3-definition-of-relevant-weekly-income/Where an offender has failed to provide information, or the court is not satisfied that it has been given sufficient reliable information, it is entitled to make such determination as it thinks fit regarding the financial circumstances of the offender (CJA 2003, s.164(5)). Any determination should be clearly stated on the court records for use in any subsequent variation or enforcement proceedings. In such cases, a record should also be made of the applicable fine band and the court’s assessment of the position of the offence within that band based on the seriousness of the offence.
Where there is no information on which a determination can be made, the court should proceed on the basis of an assumed relevant weekly income of £440. This is derived from national median pre- tax earnings*; a gross figure is used as, in the absence of financial information from the offender, it is not possible to calculate appropriate deductions.
Where there is some information that tends to suggest a significantly lower or higher income than the recommended £440 default sum, the court should make a determination based on that information.
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Post by patty on Apr 25, 2017 8:49:19 GMT
I think it's a good thing why should someone who earns millions only pay £100 when another person would struggle to find that £100. Might help fund the justice system better too. yeah well thats if they target the posh guys cars as often as they target others..we shall see... just think of all those celebs with their vroom vroom motors...a booming profit making enterprise lies ahead ok I posted this before I read last page...may not have this right then...
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Post by patty on Apr 25, 2017 8:51:48 GMT
I am putting the Tuk Tuk on the road this year the only speeding fines I will be worrying about are in a 20mph area!! I had a ride in a Tuk Tuk before deciding not for me...hope weather is good for you they r tad draughty
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Post by kris on Apr 25, 2017 8:52:01 GMT
I think it's a good thing why should someone who earns millions only pay £100 when another person would struggle to find that £100. Might help fund the justice system better too. yeah well thats if they target the posh guys cars as often as they target others..we shall see... just think of all those celebs with their vroom vroom motors...a booming profit making enterprise lies ahead ok I posted this before I read last page...may not have this right then... i didn't think speed cameras could choose which vechiles they target.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 9:00:11 GMT
I think it's a good thing why should someone who earns millions only pay £100 when another person would struggle to find that £100. Might help fund the justice system better too. yeah well thats if they target the posh guys cars as often as they target others..we shall see... just think of all those celebs with their vroom vroom motors...a booming profit making enterprise lies ahead ok I posted this before I read last page...may not have this right then... I think as Kris points out the majority of speeders will be caught by fixed and mobile speed cameras rather than police patrols so there wont really be any discrimination positive or other wise I would say. Plus the maximum fine that can be applied under this regime is I believe £2,500 (for speeding on a motorway) which to some very high earners is like me getting fined a few quid. It's a paltry ( to some) £1,000 for offences on other roads. Not really a financial deterrent at all really. It is also worth pointing out that these are for prosecutions for offences that result after being referred to a court. Even though it's still possible to be fined for doing 31 in a 30 as an example, such offences are much more likely to be dealt with under ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) guidelines, which allow some discretion and the fixed penalty system. At lower levels for a first offence you will likely still be offered a speed awareness course (at a cost) as an alternative to having points on your licence. These new fines don't replace any of this.
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Post by tonyqj on Apr 25, 2017 9:02:48 GMT
yeah well thats if they target the posh guys cars as often as they target others..we shall see... just think of all those celebs with their vroom vroom motors...a booming profit making enterprise lies ahead ok I posted this before I read last page...may not have this right then... i didn't think speed cameras could choose which vechiles they target. Of the 5 I saw stopped by the unmarked cars the first was a 5 Series, and the second an E Class. Didn't note the others but from appearances speed was the only common denominator.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 9:11:45 GMT
i didn't think speed cameras could choose which vechiles they target. Of the 5 I saw stopped by the unmarked cars the first was a 5 Series, and the second an E Class. Didn't note the others but from appearances speed was the only common denominator. It's funny you should mention what you saw but I can't recall the last time I saw a car pulled up by a police car but yesterday I saw two both on the A174 in Cleveland within about two miles of each other, the only difference being they were marked cars. I think you are correct that there is a bit of a purge going on to co-incide with the introduction of the new fines structure.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 25, 2017 10:18:39 GMT
I am putting the Tuk Tuk on the road this year the only speeding fines I will be worrying about are in a 20mph area!! I had a ride in a Tuk Tuk before deciding not for me...hope weather is good for you they r tad draughty I love it so much fun. A business in Sheffield thought they had the only one until I showed them pictures of mine dated 2014 they were gutted
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Post by peterboat on Apr 25, 2017 10:21:30 GMT
yeah well thats if they target the posh guys cars as often as they target others..we shall see... just think of all those celebs with their vroom vroom motors...a booming profit making enterprise lies ahead ok I posted this before I read last page...may not have this right then... I think as Kris points out the majority of speeders will be caught by fixed and mobile speed cameras rather than police patrols so there wont really be any discrimination positive or other wise I would say. Plus the maximum fine that can be applied under this regime is I believe £2,500 (for speeding on a motorway) which to some very high earners is like me getting fined a few quid. It's a paltry ( to some) £1,000 for offences on other roads. Not really a financial deterrent at all really. It is also worth pointing out that these are for prosecutions for offences that result after being referred to a court. Even though it's still possible to be fined for doing 31 in a 30 as an example, such offences are much more likely to be dealt with under ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) guidelines, which allow some discretion and the fixed penalty system. At lower levels for a first offence you will likely still be offered a speed awareness course (at a cost) as an alternative to having points on your licence. These new fines don't replace any of this. It used to be under construction and use regulations that speedos where allowed a 10% inaccuracy clearly that has gone
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