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Post by Andyberg on Apr 25, 2017 16:05:23 GMT
Only been out in the car for three hours today and seen three cars pulled up at the roadside by marked police cars. old fossil had not cleared his car windscreen of ice, could not see, and drove in front of a lorry which was going over the speed limit. Thankfully he was hit by the speeding lorry before he had chance to drive into a gang of school kids crossing the road that he could not see through his icy windscreen 👍
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 16:26:16 GMT
They are allowed to work outside of the 'visibility' guidelines for speed cameras if they believe there is a particular problem at a particular location or if a particular location has a particular problem with significant numbers of very high end speeders. Whether that is the case in the example you refer to of course I have no idea. (PS - I'm surprised no body has yet spouted the banal comment 'If you don't speed you have nothing to be concerned about' which is what normally happens when the issue of speed cameras come up for discussion on internet forums). It's still a further small step (albeit a very small one) to treating everything in a yes/no or binary nature. Cornwall has a law that says you must pick up dog shit wherever the public have access - try speaking to a farmer that has a public footpath going across his field and asking him whether he picks up after his sheepdog... I am not sure what you mean but as far as I am concerned people who flout the law by speeding well above the posted limit deserve to be caught by covert methods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 16:36:05 GMT
It's still a further small step (albeit a very small one) to treating everything in a yes/no or binary nature. Cornwall has a law that says you must pick up dog shit wherever the public have access - try speaking to a farmer that has a public footpath going across his field and asking him whether he picks up after his sheepdog... I am not sure what you mean but as far as I am concerned people who flout the law by speeding well above the posted limit deserve to be caught by covert methods. Do you not think that road or whether conditions should have some consideration when using covert methods? Or are you someone that thinks x is breaking the law so deserves to take the punishment?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 16:39:27 GMT
In france the speed limit on faster roads is lower if it is raining. Don't know how they enforce it though.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 25, 2017 16:56:26 GMT
I am not sure what you mean but as far as I am concerned people who flout the law by speeding well above the posted limit deserve to be caught by covert methods. Do you not think that road or whether conditions should have some consideration when using covert methods? Or are you someone that thinks x is breaking the law so deserves to take the punishment? Do you not think that the officer would not show any consideration. Normally depends how you get on with the attitude test first
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Post by patty on Apr 25, 2017 17:04:10 GMT
The speed awareness courses are so good I've done it 3 times! Little sis got nabbed a week after I did..I hadn't told her...we were both visiting daughters in different parts of the country..we both attended the same speed awareness course...I found it entertaining cos there were several fireman on the course all zapped by the same van near their station.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:05:10 GMT
Do you not think that road or whether conditions should have some consideration when using covert methods? Or are you someone that thinks x is breaking the law so deserves to take the punishment? Do you not think that the officer would not show any consideration. Normally depends how you get on with the attitude test first No problem if there is an officer to make the decision. My problem is with covert cameras that apply the guidelines no matter what. Marked cameras ok because if you don't see them then you probably are not paying attention enough.
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 25, 2017 17:06:15 GMT
I'm pretty sure the camera vans in my area are just for show I've thought that they'd caught me multiple times, but seem to have gotten away with it.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 25, 2017 17:07:01 GMT
They have not worked out how to hide down here. They generally don't have to as they have zapped you well before you see them as they do have quite a long range.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 25, 2017 17:07:09 GMT
old fossil had not cleared his car windscreen of ice, could not see, and drove in front of a lorry which was going over the speed limit. Thankfully he was hit by the speeding lorry before he had chance to drive into a gang of school kids crossing the road that he could not see through his icy windscreen 👍 I see it often, people thinking it's so stylish to drive with heaps of snow on their bonnet and roof of their cars, and the lazy sods who just scratch a hole for their eyes to look forward... we have an inside fan-heater inside our car, comes on with the block heater, so that the windows are clear, and if very cold (say minus 30 Centigrade) then it makes scraping the ice off easier. I don't understand why you Brits don't have block heaters and inside fan-heaters, your engine water is warm already (saving petrol and wear & tear on the engine and air pollution) and your windows clear, it's already nice'n'warm inside the car... yet there you are, scrape, scrape, scrape. My sister's boyfriend said I was talking nonsense when we visited - next morning minus 4 in Worcestershire, he is in a hurry to go to work (as always, they wake up at the last moment), car windscreen iced, so he boils the kettle and pours boiling water over the windscreen and windows! I was waiting to hear the 'CRACK!'. Many windscreens in Finland are cracked at the bottom, because people leave the engine running with the heat directed up at the windscreen, off they go and a vehicle coming the other way throws slush at the screen and the sudden change in heat does it. You should have the heaters blowing into the car, to the back seats, so the windscreen warms up gradually. I get to work 20 minutes early every day, so if there's a problem I have that spare time. But normally I get to my starting point 20 minutes early, which is fine because I can read Thunderboat or something else whilst eating my breakfast.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 25, 2017 17:09:40 GMT
I'm pretty sure the camera vans in my area are just for show I've thought that they'd caught me multiple times, but seem to have gotten away with it. The DVLA van slows a lot of people down here. They also get out the anpr van when there are protests at the refinery. Stopping know people from getting there. They make me slow as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:33:31 GMT
One of my brake light bulbs has gone out. I'm going to replace it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:36:18 GMT
I am not sure what you mean but as far as I am concerned people who flout the law by speeding well above the posted limit deserve to be caught by covert methods. Do you not think that road or whether conditions should have some consideration when using covert methods? Or are you someone that thinks x is breaking the law so deserves to take the punishment?Did you not read what I actually posted? The answer to your question however is no. That is why I support the concept of the ACPO guidelines as they are a pragmatic answer to the issue of the motorist who inadvertently strays over the limit. As is making speed cameras and speed camera vans highly visible. Deliberate and excessive breaking of the speed limit however deserves covert detection (irrespective of road or weather conditions) - there is always some cock sure motorist who always thinks they know better than everyone else of course. And I am sure one will be along very shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:37:31 GMT
I'm pretty sure the camera vans in my area are just for show I've thought that they'd caught me multiple times, but seem to have gotten away with it. Depends how fast you were going as to whether they will issue a NIP or summons you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:40:15 GMT
I think people who drive really cool iconic and not too expensive "saved from the scrapman" 80s cars should be allowed to speed as long as they can prove they are doing so safely. BMW 635CSi caning it down an almost empty M1 was a sight to see
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