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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 18:21:52 GMT
Straight question Nick....is intelligence more important than kindness? Intelligence and education are not the same thing, and sometimes the most educated people have the least common sense, a phenomenon I am sure we have all witnessed. Nick is educated, and knows the correct pronunciation of Greek gods' names, but in terms of being streetwise or having any common sense, he is firmly rooted at the foot of Division 4. You have no idea about my streetwisedness or common sense.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 18:22:36 GMT
That's a bit like saying are apples more important than oranges. Depends on the circumstances, of course. And both are desirable characteristics. I suppose one is purely innate, the other can be aquired with some effort if it isn't innate. But anyway, they are not binary things, they come in varying degrees.
But I still don't understand what you are trying to tell me (presuming you are trying to tell me something?)
Interesting answer and says a lot about you. What does it say about me?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:28:34 GMT
Interesting answer and says a lot about you. What does it say about me? That you have to debate/discuss what I think is one of the most simplest questions in life. Much of what you say is fair but without unequivocally answering the question first then doubts about what you really think exist.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 12, 2017 18:31:23 GMT
Intelligence and education are not the same thing, and sometimes the most educated people have the least common sense, a phenomenon I am sure we have all witnessed. Nick is educated, and knows the correct pronunciation of Greek gods' names, but in terms of being streetwise or having any common sense, he is firmly rooted at the foot of Division 4. You have no idea about my streetwisedness or common sense. Possibly not, but I do know that a person whose forum signature is designed to showcase his knowledge of classical languages and to disparage those who do not understand the pronunciation rules of, say, ancient Greek, is likely to be a smug, self-superior and supercilious person, who is generally oblivious to the feedback he receives about his life skills.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:33:59 GMT
I don't see signatures on my phone but I did use a tablet the other day and saw telemachus' signature and I must say I assumed it was a joke.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 18:35:44 GMT
What does it say about me? That you have to debate/discuss what I think is one of the most simplest questions in life. Much of what you say is fair but without unequivocally answering the question first then doubts about what you really think exist. I dont think its a simple question at all. Please illuminate me.
Whilst you are thinking of that, let me explain why I said "it depends". Of course, we all like to be around kind people and being kind of course has its own rewards, it is what makes the world go around. Up to a point!
Equally we are a demanding species in terms of food, water, energy etc. Intelligent people provide and arrange to distribute sufficient of these resources to keep us (in this country at least) with an adequate supply. If all the world was kind but not intelligent, we would be in the dark ages with high infant mortality, short lifespan and a fairly miserable life without adequate food, heating, clean water etc.
That is why I say "it depends". If I am starving, cold and ill, I want an intelligent person to arrange the food and heat and medicine. No point in a kind unitelligent person trying to do it - they wouldnt know how!
If I have all those things (and we have to be careful not to take them for granted) then I want to be surrounded by kind people, and try to be kind myself. Fortunately I am, and try to be. When I say I am surrounded by kind people, of course I mean in real life, not on here! But if you are starving, cold an ill, kind just doesn't cut it when the alternative is an intelligent person to fix my physical problems.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:36:03 GMT
In a similar sort of way to the nigger in the woodpile.
Perhaps this just pigeonholes me as I did Latin at school and a tiny bit of Greek (I was taught what Idiot means).
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 18:37:48 GMT
You have no idea about my streetwisedness or common sense. Possibly not, but I do know that a person whose forum signature is designed to showcase his knowledge of classical languages and to disparage those who do not understand the pronunciation rules of, say, ancient Greek, is likely to be a smug, self-superior and supercilious person, who is generally oblivious to the feedback he receives about his life skills. Do you think I should change my signature? It has been extant since I joined this forum, and I created it as a reaction to a few folk who were "dissing" me in relation to CWDF. I decided to come in "all guns blazing" and it did work at the time. Perhaps I should change it now if it offends - but then again, its just a signature and if you can't take a joke... Do people really take it seriously?
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2017 18:39:48 GMT
I just don't understand why you would use the name of a 4th (or poss 5th) century obscure monk for your forum name, when the only thing he was famous for is opening his gob at the wrong time and getting chopped up by some gladiators.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:41:09 GMT
Maybe you should change it to "Just another tall gay pilot who went to a good school and drives a shiny Hudson Boat"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:44:06 GMT
I think, considering Mr Stabby's propensity for changing forum identities and tag lines, on a whim, I wouldn't worry about changing it, unless you want to. But then again, I guess you wouldn't anway, unless you wanted to Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 18:44:48 GMT
I just don't understand why you would use the name of a 4th (or poss 5th) century obscure monk for your forum name, when the only thing he was famous for is opening his gob at the wrong time and getting chopped up by some gladiators. Because it's the name of our boat! Some 4th or possibly 5th century obscure monk might have had the same name, and there were others including HMS Telemachus in WW2 ( a submarine), but that is not the chap after whom the boat is named. Does having my boat name as my forum name offend you? Does naming our boat after a greek mythological character offend you? Wow, folk are so easily offended these days!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 12, 2017 18:45:20 GMT
Possibly not, but I do know that a person whose forum signature is designed to showcase his knowledge of classical languages and to disparage those who do not understand the pronunciation rules of, say, ancient Greek, is likely to be a smug, self-superior and supercilious person, who is generally oblivious to the feedback he receives about his life skills. Do you think I should change my signature? It has been extant since I joined this forum, and I created it as a reaction to a few folk who were "dissing" me in relation to CWDF. I decided to come in "all guns blazing" and it did work at the time. Perhaps I should change it now if it offends - but then again, its just a signature and if you can't take a joke... Do people really take it seriously? It doesn't offend, it just makes you come across as a complete and total twat. But whether you change it is your decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:45:37 GMT
That you have to debate/discuss what I think is one of the most simplest questions in life. Much of what you say is fair but without unequivocally answering the question first then doubts about what you really think exist. I dont think its a simple question at all. Please illuminate me.
When you are sick, lonely, depressed, hungry etc etc. What do you need? I suggest a kind person - hopefully an intelligent one but a simple one will do, certainly not an unkind intelligent person who just says 'tough luck'.
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Post by tomsk on Jul 12, 2017 18:46:03 GMT
That's a bit like saying are apples more important than oranges. Depends on the circumstances, of course. And both are desirable characteristics. I suppose one is purely innate, the other can be aquired with some effort if it isn't innate. But anyway, they are not binary things, they come in varying degrees.
But I still don't understand what you are trying to tell me (presuming you are trying to tell me something?)
Interesting answer and says a lot about you. I would say kindness as a general trait is far more desirable in a person, but that's not to undervalue intelligence. I would define intelligence very simply as an ability to understand in the abstract using combinations of knowledge, evidence, experience, logic et al as primary drivers. It has nothing to do with Lots of people just cant do 'intelligence' very well. Almost everyone is capable of kindness. It is incumbent upon the more intelligent to drive Society forward, this sometimes involves being what might appear to be less than kind occasionally.
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