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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:57:46 GMT
Well we're already committed to paying vastly inflated prices for these so obviously 'bringing them back in house' will actually save money How? Through reduced interest rates, bailouts and ridiculous management fees...these are estimated to have cost £28bn in existing contracts already. In the NHS alone, £831m in pre-tax profits have been made over the past six years. That's a lot of money that could be saved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 10:18:41 GMT
Through reduced interest rates, bailouts and ridiculous management fees...these are estimated to have cost £28bn in existing contracts already. In the NHS alone, £831m in pre-tax profits have been made over the past six years. That's a lot of money that could be saved. Conveniently missing the compensation payable to the companies involved along with their shareholders. Even McDonall himself knows it's not a realistic proposition and is already back pedaling. It was a great conference 'sound bite' that he now knows he cant actually deliver on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 10:50:45 GMT
Through reduced interest rates, bailouts and ridiculous management fees...these are estimated to have cost £28bn in existing contracts already. In the NHS alone, £831m in pre-tax profits have been made over the past six years. That's a lot of money that could be saved. Conveniently missing the compensation payable to the companies involved along with their shareholders. Even McDonall himself knows it's not a realistic proposition and is already back pedaling. It was a great conference 'sound bite' that he now knows he cant actually deliver on. We're not privy to the details in the contracts are we, presumably some, if not all, will contain break clauses and associated conditions.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 1, 2017 11:11:17 GMT
Conveniently missing the compensation payable to the companies involved along with their shareholders. Even McDonall himself knows it's not a realistic proposition and is already back pedaling. It was a great conference 'sound bite' that he now knows he cant actually deliver on. We're not privy to the details in the contracts are we, presumably some, if not all, will contain break clauses and associated conditions. You should be as most of these contracts were started during B Liar and Browns years so somebody should remember how big the the brown envelopes were
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 11:27:32 GMT
Conveniently missing the compensation payable to the companies involved along with their shareholders. Even McDonall himself knows it's not a realistic proposition and is already back pedaling. It was a great conference 'sound bite' that he now knows he cant actually deliver on. We're not privy to the details in the contracts are we, presumably some, if not all, will contain break clauses and associated conditions.Which are unlikely to include them being penalised for just delivering on the contracts and getting paid what was agreed. It's like when I had a mortgage and then years down the line being unhappy that the repayments were too much and then unilaterally saying 'I'm not paying'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 11:31:40 GMT
Whether or not Jeremy Corbyn promised to cancel historic student debt is debatable however he did allow the media to create that impression, that we have to live with. It hasn't damaged the parties ratings with young voters though..... Hardly surprising though is it? If you give an impression of something like 'free further ed for students' and then don't correct it when the media portray it as that people of that age group are hardly going to disagree with it are they? Anybody can 'buy' votes.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 1, 2017 12:25:20 GMT
Through reduced interest rates, bailouts and ridiculous management fees...these are estimated to have cost £28bn in existing contracts already. In the NHS alone, £831m in pre-tax profits have been made over the past six years. That's a lot of money that could be saved. Possibly, but more likely, probably not. To make these savings the public organisation would need to perform in the same efficient way as the private one. Many private businesses are efficient by, amongst other things: not paying for sick leave, giving the lowest legal amount of holidays, not paying enhanced redundancies, employing people on zero hours contracts, firing people when they don't perform. I can't really see any of these catching on in the public sector, can you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 13:31:12 GMT
Whether or not Jeremy Corbyn promised to cancel historic student debt is debatable however he did allow the media to create that impression, that we have to live with. It hasn't damaged the parties ratings with young voters though..... Hardly surprising though is it? If you give an impression of something like 'free further ed for students' and then don't correct it when the media portray it as that people of that age group are hardly going to disagree with it are they? Anybody can 'buy' votes. I note Mrs May is set to announce some kind of concession on tuition fees today at the Tory party conference so I guess you're right 'anybody' can buy votes. Of course they've already been fighting this morning like rats in a sack, how are we to take these people seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 13:42:38 GMT
Hardly surprising though is it? If you give an impression of something like 'free further ed for students' and then don't correct it when the media portray it as that people of that age group are hardly going to disagree with it are they? Anybody can 'buy' votes. I note Mrs May is set to announce some kind of concession on tuition fees today at the Tory party conference so I guess you're right 'anybody' can buy votes. Indeed she is and TBH it's disappointing that she appears to be 'aping' policies whilst on the back foot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 13:57:51 GMT
We're not privy to the details in the contracts are we, presumably some, if not all, will contain break clauses and associated conditions. You should be as most of these contracts were started during B Liar and Browns years so somebody should remember how big the the brown envelopes were There's no longer any appetite in the Labour party for any kind of centrist politics, there will be no new 'New Labour' in the foreseeable future. Most Saturdays I give up a couple of hours to go door knocking (The Labour party has been continuously campaigning since the General Election in June) yesterday we were outside the local Asda campaigning/raising money/recruiting members following the party conference. The tide has definitely changed in favour of Jeremy Corbyn and a Labour government. We heard time and again people talking about 'a fairer society' the Tories seem to have no intention of even being seen to try to address this sentiment. If the voting intentions expressed by the people we talked to yesterday were extrapolated across the country in a general election the Conservative party would be anihilated, wiped out. Voters are enthused by Jeremy Corbyn's offer of 'hope' for the future, it's not complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 17:23:55 GMT
An eye catching policy from the first day of the Conservative party conference....University tuition fees frozen at £9250! They just don't get it do they.
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Post by Jim on Oct 1, 2017 17:37:04 GMT
An eye catching policy from the first day of the Conservative party conference....University tuition fees frozen at £9250! They just don't get it do they. No, they don't, they can't, they are Tories, it's genetic. As for Jezzer being respected because he has bribed students, that's fake news, he is respected for his honesty and principles, no bullshit, lives an ordinary life. They are dropping education fees because it's the right thing to do, not as a bribe, as May is, belatedly. Of course the cynical right wing don't understand this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 17:57:45 GMT
A weak government with a weak leader, kept in power through a grubby deal with the DUP, incapable of agreeing amongst themselves over Brexit, bereft of ideas/policies, destroying our public services whilst enriching their mates. It's a sickening sight. Time for a General election.
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 2, 2017 3:24:19 GMT
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Post by peterboat on Oct 2, 2017 9:08:00 GMT
A weak government with a weak leader, kept in power through a grubby deal with the DUP, incapable of agreeing amongst themselves over Brexit, bereft of ideas/policies, destroying our public services whilst enriching their mates. It's a sickening sight. Time for a General election. Shall we look at this another way Tories got more votes than they did in the last election, Labour told some right woppers to get the student and parent vote, and deals were done with other parties so that labour had a better chance in some areas, even after these lies they still did not get the public to trust them. Now Jezza has decided that we will stay half way in the EU [the worst of all deals], most of his votes come from brexit areas, can you see those areas putting up with that? In the last election Derbyshire NE i think went from labour to Tory because Engles was so anti brexit, and the voters were pro brexit. My Daughter is a labour Councillor and fancies being an MP but because she is anti Corbyn she will never be selected a Corbynite will be imposed and with luck might not get in!
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