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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 14:50:32 GMT
Not sure what is going on but the admitted staff turnover for pilots (10% in the last year) seems very high for skilled staff. The fact they haven't been able to resolve this internally points to something far more than a change in rostering/leave rules.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 27, 2017 15:15:02 GMT
Yes. MoL is one of those foolish managers who doesn't yet realise that a company's greatest asset is its staff. The clue is perhaps in the word "company"! There's a retirement bulge in global airlines, the industry is expanding, which means folk are able to move up to better jobs and leave the likes of Ryanair, with its company culture of contempt for its pilots, behind.
Mind you, I've also heard that EasyJet pilots are being worked very hard these days. Many are going part time as being the only way to survive. There was a change in the law a couple of years ago - previously, the UK CAA were world leaders in pilot fatigue management. But then along came the EU and wanted harmonised rules. So the likes of Eastern European pilots and U.K. pilots all had to work to the same set of rules and guess what, the compromise meant less protection for the UK pilots. So much for the EU protecting workers' rights!
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Post by erivers on Sept 27, 2017 17:29:24 GMT
A local boating association submitted an otherwise excellent and detailed response to the Environment Agency's consultation on proposals to increase navigation fees. Part of the response concerned lack of use of volunteers on EA waterways and the observation that EA patrol and maintenance vessels were often left unused for lack of staff to man them. It was sent on 31st August and said " You do not see BA or Ryan Air parking up aircraft for lack of staff." Two weeks later RyanAir announced .......... Oops!  |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 27, 2017 17:46:13 GMT
"Ryanair are treating their pilots like truck or bus drivers (my apologies to truck or bus drivers). The difference is it costs about £1.5k to train a truck driver but to train a pilot it costs about 100 times that amount. While I don't disagree with the sentiment, it's actually about £3,500 to get an LGV C+E (HGV1) licence nowadays assuming first time passes on all three tests. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 27, 2017 19:29:02 GMT
Why don't Ryanair advertise for pilots in Poland, pay them the minimum wage? It seems to be a successful model in other businesses...
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Post by thebfg on Sept 27, 2017 19:33:35 GMT
Why don't Ryanair advertise for pilots in Poland, pay them the minimum wage? It seems to be a successful model in other businesses... and it could work. many many fine pilots from Poland flew for us during the war. |
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 27, 2017 19:35:38 GMT
One of the problems is that there are still plenty of kids with rich daddies who knock on Ryanair's front door waving their still-wet licences, don't mind paying £300 for an interview and don't mind paying another £30k on top of the £50k or so already spent on the licence, to Ryanair for a type rating. It is pilot selection by wealth, not by aptitude.
Latterly, just before the oil crisis, Bristow USA realised that this method of pilot selection was cheap at the point of delivery but stored up "problem pilots" for the future, and that in fact the old sponsored pilot training scheme with intrinsic culling of baby problem pilots, was ultimately the better way to go from a business point of view. Then the oil crash came and it was back into "let's just try and survive until next year" mode.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 27, 2017 19:36:05 GMT
Why don't Ryanair advertise for pilots in Poland, pay them the minimum wage? It seems to be a successful model in other businesses... I imagine it's quite difficult to fly a plane when you're pissed. |
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 27, 2017 19:38:16 GMT
Why don't Ryanair advertise for pilots in Poland, pay them the minimum wage? It seems to be a successful model in other businesses... Ryanair is quite a multi-national employee. If you are a Brit, you tend to go for EasyJet. If you are Johnny Foreigner you tend to go for Cryanair. But then, having gained some experience, improved your Inggerish, you find that you can get a job with a proper airline. Hence the high turnover. |
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Post by thebfg on Sept 27, 2017 21:33:19 GMT
In a week or so I'm flying with blue air. Romanians answer to Ryanair.
aparently they did go bust once and I believe the pilots brought the company.
they have a simular policy where candidates not current on type must be willing to finance their own recurrent training following successful assessment
3000 hours plus 500 on their planes.
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Post by bodger on Sept 28, 2017 7:36:17 GMT
Why don't Ryanair advertise for pilots in Poland, pay them the minimum wage? It seems to be a successful model in other businesses... and it could work. many many fine pilots from Poland flew for us during the war. hmmm ................ most of them are dead by now, aren't they? |
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 28, 2017 8:17:25 GMT
I am very pleased ( no, smug actually) to be able to say that whilst I fly quite a lot, I have never been on a Ryanair flight and hope never to do so in the future.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 28, 2017 8:18:10 GMT
and it could work. many many fine pilots from Poland flew for us during the war. hmmm ................ most of them are dead by now, aren't they? I suspect nearly all are. however the point was that the polish have had great pilots and there is no reason for them not to be now. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 8:22:40 GMT
I only flew with them once (well twice if you count the return) it was from Teesside to Dublin, a route they no longer fly.
The turnaround time was just thirty minutes from the incoming flight from Dublin to push back of our flight out of Teesside. I remember commenting to Jan 'they will never offload everybody, clean the rubbish way and board everybody and their luggage in just 30 minutes'.
They did though.
We have a family friend who's daughter worked as an auditor with them and to say they run a 'tight ship' is something of an understatement.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 28, 2017 8:23:21 GMT
hmmm ................ most of them are dead by now, aren't they? I suspect nearly all are. however the point was that the polish have had great pilots and there is no reason for them not to be now. However let us bear in mind that the attributes that make a great WW2 pilot are not the same as those that make a great airline pilot. Something to do with the "right stuff" being the "wrong stuff". Anyway be careful what you wish for. According to MoL pilots don't have to do much as the planes are so highly automated. He will think it a cunning plan to recruit dead polish pilots to fill the other seat at minimal cost (just the cost of some formaldehyde). |
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