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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 14:35:34 GMT
When politicians use violence against their own people they've lost the argument.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 14:56:05 GMT
Wheelhouse is a cool surname.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 2, 2017 18:42:11 GMT
Thinking of Nick's Shetland Islands remark: "A former Chancellor of the Exchequer has said the Shetland Islands may want to stay in the UK as an overseas territory rather than become part of an independent Scotland. Norman Lamont, who was Chancellor from 1990 to 1993 in John Major’s government, argued that if a majority of Shetlanders wanted to separate from an independent Scotland the islands could pursue a ‘Faroese model’ and have a relationship with the UK similar to that of Denmark and the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands, which are 208 miles north west of Shetland, are classed as an autonomous country within the Danish Realm. The Faroese government have their own parliament and hold executive power in local government affairs. Norm-the-Gormless, who was born in the islands’ capital of Lerwick, said that many Shetlanders were already independent in spirit and many felt they had more in common with Norway than Scotland. He said they would be able to support themselves from the revenues of the nearby oil fields in their territorial waters. Last week oil exploration firm Hurricane Energy uncovered what it described as the largest undeveloped oil discovery on the UK Continental Shelf. The firm estimated one billion barrels of oil reside within the Halifax well within the Greater Lancaster Area (GLA), 60 miles west of Shetland. Commenting on the discovery Paul Wheelhouse, the Scottish Government minister for business, innovation and energy, said: “It’s clear that the continental shelf in waters adjacent to Scotland, such as areas to the west of Shetland, continue to hold very significant potential. The Shetland Islands voted strongly against Scottish independence in 2014 with 64 per cent of voters saying No." I didn't make a remark about the Shetland Islands.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 2, 2017 18:44:21 GMT
Anybody with some vague degree of common sense would realise that such a figure coming from such a shambolic "referendum" which most people have boycotted, provided by the radicals who want independence, is bound to be unreliable. Surely you are not so gullible? So, in fact you have no evidence to the contrary. No, but no evidence to support the statement and in fact common sense, as I mentioned, suggests it is highly likely to be unreliable. Of course, when they say "90% want independance" they are obviously trying to decieve, because in fact it should be "90% or the 41% who voted..."
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Post by kris on Oct 2, 2017 18:56:36 GMT
I In this country, one can call the police "pigs" to their faces and tell them to fuck off when they want you to "move on" and disperse an illegal gathering - and get away with it. Other countries - most other countries - are far less tolerant of disobeying and fronting up to the police. I don't believe you have ever called an officer of the law "pig" or told one to fuck off. So what are you basing this presumption on? Your own delusional mind the same as all your other presumptions , would be my guess.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 2, 2017 18:59:30 GMT
So, in fact you have no evidence to the contrary. No, but no evidence to support the statement and in fact common sense, as I mentioned, suggests it is highly likely to be unreliable. Of course, when they say "90% want independance" they are obviously trying to decieve, because in fact it should be "90% or the 41% who voted..." splitting hairs again .....you obviously didn't bother to look at the historic votes in various polls of the last few years. In this subject one thing you are lacking is "common sense"
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Post by Graham on Oct 2, 2017 20:23:11 GMT
No, but no evidence to support the statement and in fact common sense, as I mentioned, suggests it is highly likely to be unreliable. Of course, when they say "90% want independance" they are obviously trying to decieve, because in fact it should be "90% or the 41% who voted..." splitting hairs again .....you obviously didn't bother to look at the historic votes in various polls of the last few years. In this subject one thing you are lacking is "common sense" I don't think he is splitting hairs. I do not think he has enough knowledge or done enough research to be able to take a good guess at the likely figures and thus split hairs. I suspect that had the vote been allowed to go ahead without hindrance I believe the vote would have been of the order of 55/60% for independence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:10:09 GMT
I don't believe you have ever called an officer of the law "pig" or told one to fuck off. So what are you basing this presumption on? Your own delusional mind the same as all your other presumptions , would be my guess. How come the quotes here are getting transposed, earlier me as saying what Nick said and now the above.......weired.....
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 2, 2017 21:57:30 GMT
splitting hairs again .....you obviously didn't bother to look at the historic votes in various polls of the last few years. In this subject one thing you are lacking is "common sense" I don't think he is splitting hairs. I do not think he has enough knowledge or done enough research to be able to take a good guess at the likely figures and thus split hairs. I suspect that had the vote been allowed to go ahead without hindrance I believe the vote would have been of the order of 55/60% for independence. The point under debate was not what percentage of Cataluna want independence. Probably it is more than 50%, otherwise the Spanish government wouldn't be so desperate. The point under debate was the stupidity of believing that because Sky say 90% voted for independence, that somehow is representative of the regional as a whole ie 90% of catalunians want independence. Which is BS.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 2, 2017 21:59:20 GMT
No, but no evidence to support the statement and in fact common sense, as I mentioned, suggests it is highly likely to be unreliable. Of course, when they say "90% want independance" they are obviously trying to decieve, because in fact it should be "90% or the 41% who voted..." splitting hairs again .....you obviously didn't bother to look at the historic votes in various polls of the last few years. In this subject one thing you are lacking is "common sense" Historic votes in various polls is not the point we were discussing. But of course moving the goal posts is a way to attempt to hide loss of face. (A very bad one!). Do you believe 90% of catalunians want independence? Yes or no!?
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Post by peterboat on Oct 2, 2017 23:32:58 GMT
I don't think he is splitting hairs. I do not think he has enough knowledge or done enough research to be able to take a good guess at the likely figures and thus split hairs. I suspect that had the vote been allowed to go ahead without hindrance I believe the vote would have been of the order of 55/60% for independence. The point under debate was not what percentage of Cataluna want independence. Probably it is more than 50%, otherwise the Spanish government wouldn't be so desperate. The point under debate was the stupidity of believing that because Sky say 90% voted for independence, that somehow is representative of the regional as a whole ie 90% of catalunians want independence. Which is BS. I think if another vote was held it would be 90%!! clearly the worst move the government could have made was what they did yesterday
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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2017 6:10:24 GMT
splitting hairs again .....you obviously didn't bother to look at the historic votes in various polls of the last few years. In this subject one thing you are lacking is "common sense" Historic votes in various polls is not the point we were discussing. But of course moving the goal posts is a way to attempt to hide loss of face. (A very bad one!). Do you believe 90% of catalunians want independence? Yes or no!?you are beginning to sound like a troll. I have never said that, nor suggested that, nor given any indication in any shape or form that I believe that. Sometimes you really come across as a pure trouble maker ....... grow up
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 3, 2017 6:54:39 GMT
Historic votes in various polls is not the point we were discussing. But of course moving the goal posts is a way to attempt to hide loss of face. (A very bad one!). Do you believe 90% of catalunians want independence? Yes or no!?you are beginning to sound like a troll. I have never said that, nor suggested that, nor given any indication in any shape or form that I believe that. Sometimes you really come across as a pure trouble maker ....... grow up So I take it from your sulky rant that in fact you agree with me that the figure of 90% that you repeated, was misleading.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 3, 2017 6:56:43 GMT
The point under debate was not what percentage of Cataluna want independence. Probably it is more than 50%, otherwise the Spanish government wouldn't be so desperate. The point under debate was the stupidity of believing that because Sky say 90% voted for independence, that somehow is representative of the regional as a whole ie 90% of catalunians want independence. Which is BS. I think if another vote was held it would be 90%!! clearly the worst move the government could have made was what they did yesterday No I disagree. Those significant proportion of people not wanting independence will be quite glad to see the nationalist fanatic troublemakers under the cosh. As I said earlier, it will polarise opinion not change it.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2017 7:00:04 GMT
you are beginning to sound like a troll. I have never said that, nor suggested that, nor given any indication in any shape or form that I believe that. Sometimes you really come across as a pure trouble maker ....... grow up So I take it from your sulky rant that in fact you agree with me that the figure of 90% that you repeated, was misleading. Are you really trying to tell me that you can't read a post correctly ? I quoted Sky News (a figure that has since been repeated by the BBC) that the referendum result was 90% in favour of independence ..... No more .... No less. As regards a rant ..... the only one so far, and also the only descent into rudeness in this thread is from you. For God's sake do some research and stop spouting rubbish
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