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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 18:25:47 GMT
Paul things arnt that expensive a full set of proper tractions are only 600 squids including couplers, tails and watering system why waste money on inferior Trojans? A 3 kilowatt inverter like mine which is 5 years old 450 squids A boatman stove installed 8-900 squids It will have the 12 volt system already they always do So you would be looking at installing a 240 volt ring in it with galvanic isolator cost really depends on how much work needed I did all this on my old narrowboat not hard work at all Peter, you have "been there and done that" so I'm certainly in no position to disagree with you. You do have to consider though that not everyone is as talented as you, nor as cheap. Many people would opt to have new kit professionally installed. I spent many years wiring homes and light commercial, and could do it in my sleep, but I'd hire a marine electrician to wire my boat, if need be. CDS thinks from experience that my estimates are conservative, so we have a high and a low and what it would cost someone depends on what they want and how they go about it. Just looking at our little conversation here, we're both guessing at what the boat does and does not have electrical wise. All things considered, it seems Dave should specify in his ad exactly what kind of electrical systems he has. That kind of information is important to people who are doing comparison shopping on the internet. Listen your spot on,it would want the best part of £450 in batteries alone to support any live aboard system,I spent nearly five grand on my shower last year after the calorifier sprung a leak and I had to lift the floor and wrecked the sunken shower tray in the process.Projects litter the canal for want of money to finish them,thats how expensive things are nowadays
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Post by peterboat on May 31, 2016 8:07:31 GMT
Morso squirrel was 590 at Crick the other day with flue kit and victron inverter/chargers are 1K first search on net stuff just isnt that expensive. It is of course if you go to an electrician and say I need a reaming out here is my bum go for it!! as so many do
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 9:40:48 GMT
Morso squirrel was 590 at Crick the other day with flue kit and victron inverter/chargers are 1K first search on net stuff just isnt that expensive. It is of course if you go to an electrician and say I need a reaming out here is my bum go for it!! as so many do I wouldn't buy that gear from the internet,he would want 5kw for a proper live aboard thats got to be £2000 to £2500 plus vat plus fitting and sundries, Squirrel for £590 ? you should have bought the lot Peter,there won't be a Boater on here that won't be stunned by that price.Most people are too busy working to DIY and trying to get it done in the South East is a real chore,these people want to charge you for their travel on top,robbery
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 9:54:29 GMT
Morso squirrel was 590 at Crick the other day with flue kit and victron inverter/chargers are 1K first search on net stuff just isnt that expensive. It is of course if you go to an electrician and say I need a reaming out here is my bum go for it!! as so many do Yeah the Squirrel is £860 at most chandlers,add the rest of the gear its an easy £1000 Peter,I was just looking online.
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Post by peterboat on May 31, 2016 10:19:06 GMT
It was there always bargains to be found if you look. And for me I dont need a charger inverter as I have solar If I add it all together Its still way cheaper that one victron charger/inverter at your prices. I always use the net never by chinese crap unless its like my inverter, which was designed by MR controls, then built for them but checked over when it arrives here. 5 years and going strong, unlike the two vetus ones before it which caught fire!! true shit!! I only have 3 kw and it is more than enough for livaboard and I have a dishwasher and autowasher. My Rayburn was £200 I could have bought a nice new one for 5K but why bother? ebay is full of secondhand ones at great prices
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 13:08:28 GMT
It was there always bargains to be found if you look. And for me I dont need a charger inverter as I have solar If I add it all together Its still way cheaper that one victron charger/inverter at your prices. I always use the net never by chinese crap unless its like my inverter, which was designed by MR controls, then built for them but checked over when it arrives here. 5 years and going strong, unlike the two vetus ones before it which caught fire!! true shit!! I only have 3 kw and it is more than enough for livaboard and I have a dishwasher and autowasher. My Rayburn was £200 I could have bought a nice new one for 5K but why bother? ebay is full of secondhand ones at great prices Scottish,Yorkshire,we are all the same
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Post by peterboat on May 31, 2016 13:42:05 GMT
It was there always bargains to be found if you look. And for me I dont need a charger inverter as I have solar If I add it all together Its still way cheaper that one victron charger/inverter at your prices. I always use the net never by chinese crap unless its like my inverter, which was designed by MR controls, then built for them but checked over when it arrives here. 5 years and going strong, unlike the two vetus ones before it which caught fire!! true shit!! I only have 3 kw and it is more than enough for livaboard and I have a dishwasher and autowasher. My Rayburn was £200 I could have bought a nice new one for 5K but why bother? ebay is full of secondhand ones at great prices Scottish,Yorkshire,we are all the same Very deep pockets and short arms!! or is every penny is a prisoner?
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Post by naughtyfox on May 31, 2016 14:49:51 GMT
(edited - for jumping the gun / being a bit thick)
Carry on, as you were...!
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Post by robmcd on Jun 1, 2016 21:51:12 GMT
I have been looking on about 20-30 narrowboat for sale websites for the past 2 months now & have noticed a few boats that have come down in price over the past couple of months at a few grand at a time, one has come down by 5k since I first viewed it. As I'm new to all this I have thought that maybe there is a problem with the boat or maybe just priced high but either was some are just not selling for what ever reason. But some have gone within hours of being listed, so I guess if it's the right price & condition there going to go like hot cakes.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2016 22:23:22 GMT
Rob what do you want from your boat? where are you going to base yourself? these things matter as I am on broad northern waterways so have a widebeam. The other thing what is your budget for a boat pay to little and it can be a pile of shit which rapidly starts taking on water. On the whole boats tend to be more expensive down south, thats because lots of people are using them as cheap accommodation so market forces push the price up. If you can give us some more info people on here will help you plenty of us have been on the water for too long
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 7:11:27 GMT
I have been looking on about 20-30 narrowboat for sale websites for the past 2 months now & have noticed a few boats that have come down in price over the past couple of months at a few grand at a time, one has come down by 5k since I first viewed it. As I'm new to all this I have thought that maybe there is a problem with the boat or maybe just priced high but either was some are just not selling for what ever reason. But some have gone within hours of being listed, so I guess if it's the right price & condition there going to go like hot cakes. Yeah where are you based Rob ? have you viewed any ? These boats are coming down in price for the same reason as Helvetia,they are overpriced in the first place.
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Post by robmcd on Jun 2, 2016 23:54:37 GMT
I have been looking on about 20-30 narrowboat for sale websites for the past 2 months now & have noticed a few boats that have come down in price over the past couple of months at a few grand at a time, one has come down by 5k since I first viewed it. As I'm new to all this I have thought that maybe there is a problem with the boat or maybe just priced high but either was some are just not selling for what ever reason. But some have gone within hours of being listed, so I guess if it's the right price & condition there going to go like hot cakes. Yeah where are you based Rob ? have you viewed any ? These boats are coming down in price for the same reason as Helvetia,they are overpriced in the first place. I'm in Birmingham & have been looking to name a few Rugby Boats, Whilton Marina & been to local smaller places to just look around and walk through as many boats as I can to get a grasp of sizes/interior etc as looking at pictures on the net is all well and good but nothing like viewing the real thing. I have also traveled for miles on the tow path to check out where I want to be based around. But I do know B,ham like the back of my hand and am well awear of where not to moor up. I have looked around 10-20 boats now of various sizes. But was looking at around 50ft trad/semitrad, I don't mind grafting to get the boat up to spec but am not after a knacker thats for sure. Just keeping my options open as nothing is set in stone.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 3, 2016 7:28:48 GMT
Whats your budget Rob then if any of us see anything we can pass it on to you
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Post by emma on Jun 3, 2016 8:20:28 GMT
What about peoples comments regarding the market though and regarding prices. I wasn't attempting a critique of Helvetia other than to point out how I saw her price wise.It is indeed a well kept boat but appealing to which market?The "which market" part probably has a lot to do with it. From the Apollo Duck ad: "Helvetia is a well presented boat and comes with a full inventory of equipment and spares, plus a comprehensive owner’s manual which gives details of where everything is and how it all works. She has been lovingly owned by us for nearly twenty years and we shall be sad to see her go, but hope that she will continue to give new owners a much loved family holiday boat." Helvetia looks to be a very nice boat, and Dave S. apppears to have been fanatic about taking care of the boat, but it is just a holiday boat and that probably limits the market. It seems that things like a woodstove and batteries and inverters and so on are not there, and those are things most boat buyers want, aren't they? Maybe the boat has some of that stuff, if so it should be mentioned in the ad. 12V electric could be particularly problematic if it is not installed already. One would need to disassemble a lot of the interior to do a proper 12v wiring job. One other thing is the windows. For some reason those windows just look cheesy, cheap, to me. Are they even double glazed? When comparing the price of Helvetia to more typically outfitted live-a-boards, or any self-sufficient boat for that matter, you have to add a lot to the sales price. for example: £1,500 - a good set of Trojans, installed w/ wiring £5,000 - Victron Quatro or Phoenix 3000/120 installed along with all controls and related electronics £4,000 - a £1,500 - £2,000 woodstove w/ back burner installed w/ related interior remodeling and plumbing £1,000 - install 12V system - lights, receptacles, etc. ________ £11,500 right there if someone wants to make it a livaboard, or indeed an off-grid boat of any kind. From the looks of things, that boat has to be plugged in to shore power if you want anything to work, and that fact alone greatly limits its appeal, and its value. Edited to add - I have no idea what this boat should sell for, I'm just commenting on perhaps why it hasn't sold so far. what a load of absolute bollocks even in dollars your prices are out by a factor of 5-10. I agree Helvetia needs upgrading to be m.facebook.coma liveaboard but as with all boats the first thing is lines, the 2nd hull maintenance, the third engine ie those things least easily changed and with the exception of the horrible engine this boat scores, it's worth 20-25 k but at that it will be a great boat for somebody. David Schweizer does himself no favours but stating time after time he will not negotiate.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 3, 2016 8:26:17 GMT
Bloody hell Emma we agree on something
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