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Post by peterboat on Feb 18, 2018 23:25:09 GMT
Back to an old thread, as I just coincidently bumped onto a video with a test of an electric VW Up. It's definitely not for me, much too stressful, as it's by no means sure if you'll reach your destination, or the too much needed fast charging station. Once there it's stress again as other cars may be wanting to charge there too, and you're stopping them from that possibility. It's not like filling up a tank, which only takes a couple of minutes at the most. For very short distances (town driving shopping trips) it may not be too inconvenient, but if you have to go a bit further and have to turn the heating/aico down and reduce the speed to have a better chance of getting to your destination, it's no good (for me). Peter. A hybrid would be better than a pure electric in some cases. Not everyones cup of tea this car but if charged overnight it will do 30 miles on batt so avoid air pollution for local trips: They work and work well so its a thumbs up from me as well. Diesel sales are dropping month by month so clearly people are getting the message
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Post by kris on Feb 19, 2018 8:36:58 GMT
You still need to be connected to the mains to charge it.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 19, 2018 8:44:37 GMT
You still need to be connected to the mains to charge it. you could get one that runs on hay
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Post by kris on Feb 19, 2018 8:49:36 GMT
You still need to be connected to the mains to charge it. you could get one that runs on hay I have thought about making a downdraft wood gasifier, so I could run my engine off any dry bio mass.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 19, 2018 8:57:26 GMT
you could get one that runs on hay I have thought about making a downdraft wood gasifier, so I could run my engine off any dry bio mass. there is a lot of information around about that ...... efficiencies are low but guess that wouldn't matter on a boat ....... how the Mayor of London would like it is another matter main-qimg-6ef8d8bd0f8a6c77495f08eed5957841 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by kris on Feb 19, 2018 9:02:46 GMT
I have thought about making a downdraft wood gasifier, so I could run my engine off any dry bio mass. there is a lot of information around about that ...... efficiencies are low but guess that wouldn't matter on a boat ....... how the Mayor of London would like it is another matter main-qimg-6ef8d8bd0f8a6c77495f08eed5957841 by mudlarker2, on Flickr the biggest draw back is the bulk of the fuel, but it's tried and tested technology. It's been much improved since the Second World War.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 19, 2018 9:26:38 GMT
Its ok Kris but the real issue will be the cost of entering low emission areas which is likely to encompass canals and rivers. We are all writing about this stuff, but officials are making plans to do it! because they have no choice the Government lost two court cases trying to ignore it, and now they have given local councils an opportunity to make up the missing funds from their budget! Think about it which council isnt going to do it? This is serious stuff what is happening and it will effect us in time no matter how much we stamp our feet or bury our heads in the sand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:45:46 GMT
Its ok Kris but the real issue will be the cost of entering low emission areas which is likely to encompass canals and rivers. We are all writing about this stuff, but officials are making plans to do it! because they have no choice the Government lost two court cases trying to ignore it, and now they have given local councils an opportunity to make up the missing funds from their budget! Think about it which council isnt going to do it? This is serious stuff what is happening and it will effect us in time no matter how much we stamp our feet or bury our heads in the sand. How about the national government coming up with a national policy to reduce the local councils deficits rather than passing the buck to some local halfwits.
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Post by kris on Feb 19, 2018 10:19:41 GMT
Its ok Kris but the real issue will be the cost of entering low emission areas which is likely to encompass canals and rivers. We are all writing about this stuff, but officials are making plans to do it! because they have no choice the Government lost two court cases trying to ignore it, and now they have given local councils an opportunity to make up the missing funds from their budget! Think about it which council isnt going to do it? This is serious stuff what is happening and it will effect us in time no matter how much we stamp our feet or bury our heads in the sand. your the one who seems to be stamping his feet. Let's take the example of my boat. So you would suggest converting it to electric power would you?
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Post by bargemast on Feb 19, 2018 11:03:02 GMT
There are a few more people on earth than just where you live, as the pollution continues in other countries, well of course that's their problem, as long as it's clean where you live, and bad luck for the others, they should have made their choice earlier to come and live in the "clean" UK, but now they're not welcome anymore, as there are way too many of these bloody foreigners already. Clean electricity produced by wind farms, sounds good, I'm not a scientific, but there are many articles to read about the in reality far from "clean" wind farm electricity : www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/wind-turbines-are-neither-clean-nor-green-and-they-provide-zero-global-energy/Peter. He does mention he has a vested commercial interest in coal, apart from that he talks worldwide not UK, already we are in this country reducing our NOX and CO2 emissions by using this technology, we as an island are ideally suited to do this. We would be mad to go gas its a rapidly running out resource that would require millions of tons of concrete to build the power stations needed for us, pointless springs to mind constant pollution is another as you are always burning a carbon source. Fortunately his stats are from 2014 and things have moved on from there, every time I make a journey I see new wind turbines, look at the list below and every year production grows for me its perfik and for three quarters of the population UK Wind power capacity and generation Year[22] Capacity (MW) Generation (GW·h) % of total electricity use Refs Locations of wind farms in and around the United Kingdom and Ireland Contents Sorry that I didn't repeat your very long list here, I suppose that that was to show how many wind farms exist in the UK and Ireland. Saying sort of :"More is better" , almost like a certain Donald with the guns in his country. Have you ever thought about the enormous pollution involved in making these wind chargers, and then to get them to where they're installed ? I'm sure that you can run many (old) diesel cars for many years to come until you reach the point of becomming a saving. Hybrid cars are much better than electric cars, as you don't depend for 100% on the availability of electricity, and I would be more inclined to have an hybrid car. I don't think however that this will ever happen, unless I'm given one, as they are still much too expensive for me (not very likely to change in a hurry). As I said before, having to run a genny to charge the batteries of an electric car would be far over the limit of my crazyness. I won't stop you from doing whatever you want to do, being it driving around in an electric car, or having an electric boat, as it gives you something to play with. For the time being, I haven't got that time (read "money") to play with these kind of things, and I will continue with my old cars as long as I can. But use my cars just as little as possible, as I can still walk, bicycle, and use public transportation in anti-pollution zones, without the need for trying to find a parking space. Peter.
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 19, 2018 11:29:28 GMT
I think people will buy low range hybrid when forced to, rather than full blown electric. That way lies clinging onto the combustion engine for as long as possible.
This relatively sudden panic swap to electric under force of law is more than a little suspicious. No governments anywhere have done much more than bluster, stall and delay anything environmentally positive. A leopard doesn't change it's shorts. The rush change to electric vehicles has very little to do with the environment which the system puts right down the list that's headed with commerce. Environment is just a very convenient prop for some massive, unnecessary economic activity to prolong consumerism as the money maker for professional politicians who don't have the balls to be truly radical.
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Post by kris on Feb 19, 2018 12:06:19 GMT
I think people will buy low range hybrid when forced to, rather than full blown electric. That way lies clinging onto the combustion engine for as long as possible. This relatively sudden panic swap to electric under force of law is more than a little suspicious. No governments anywhere have done much more than bluster, stall and delay anything environmentally positive. A leopard doesn't change it's shorts. The rush change to electric vehicles has very little to do with the environment which the system puts right down the list that's headed with commerce. Environment is just a very convenient prop for some massive, unnecessary economic activity to prolong consumerism as the money maker for professional politicians who don't have the balls to be truly radical. this is the crux of the matter the environmental agenda has been hijacked by corporate interest. The political piupets have long danced to the corporations tune. The effects of global warming are becoming ever more apparent, only the most trumped person can say it's mot happening. Even if the world stopped burning fossil fuels tmw, we are on this rollercoster ride whether we like it or not. We all should be doing what we can to mitigate the effects, but this should start with consuming less, not finding new ways to consume more. So Peter boat what about giving up all of your forms of four wheeled transport? Only kidding I know you would never be able to cope with the change of lifestyle this would entail. So I salute you for taking up electric transport even if it's a boat and not four wheeled which is the type of transport you use the most. Remind me what car are you driving around in at the moment. Anyway I'm not trying to have ago at you, just trying to point out its not as black and white about electric cars as you portray it.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 19, 2018 13:22:04 GMT
I think people will buy low range hybrid when forced to, rather than full blown electric. That way lies clinging onto the combustion engine for as long as possible. This relatively sudden panic swap to electric under force of law is more than a little suspicious. No governments anywhere have done much more than bluster, stall and delay anything environmentally positive. A leopard doesn't change it's shorts. The rush change to electric vehicles has very little to do with the environment which the system puts right down the list that's headed with commerce. Environment is just a very convenient prop for some massive, unnecessary economic activity to prolong consumerism as the money maker for professional politicians who don't have the balls to be truly radical. Its nowt to do with the car makers, Our Government was taken to court and lost the case twice, so now they have to do something and that something is make life very difficult and expensive for diesel engines. google it and all will be clear. Sorry about that list it was a map on wikipedia very small no idea where the list sprung from!!
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Post by Stumpy on Feb 19, 2018 13:40:10 GMT
It looks like we're about to start desecrating the oceans to supply more valuable metals for electrical needs ..... LINK
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 19, 2018 14:20:30 GMT
I think people will buy low range hybrid when forced to, rather than full blown electric. That way lies clinging onto the combustion engine for as long as possible. This relatively sudden panic swap to electric under force of law is more than a little suspicious. No governments anywhere have done much more than bluster, stall and delay anything environmentally positive. A leopard doesn't change it's shorts. The rush change to electric vehicles has very little to do with the environment which the system puts right down the list that's headed with commerce. Environment is just a very convenient prop for some massive, unnecessary economic activity to prolong consumerism as the money maker for professional politicians who don't have the balls to be truly radical. Its nowt to do with the car makers, Our Government was taken to court and lost the case twice, so now they have to do something and that something is make life very difficult and expensive for diesel engines. google it and all will be clear. Sorry about that list it was a map on wikipedia very small no idea where the list sprung from!! Where did I say it was the car makers? You've said it yourself, a law our government has resisted has been forced on us. We resisted because we don't have any meaningful uk industry to profit from the change, for us it'll be pay, pay, pay.
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