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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 14, 2018 21:51:52 GMT
But what about my point about a child wanting to have a Mummy? Single Dad's can still bring up normal kids. So can single Mum's. I personally think there is something very wrong with a woman conceiving a child which she has pre-determined to abandon at birth.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 14, 2018 21:54:26 GMT
I have no objection to homosexuals at all. Me neither.. In fact, I've actually shared a bath with one! 😱
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 21:57:17 GMT
But what about my point about a child wanting to have a Mummy? Single Dad's can still bring up normal kids. So can single Mum's. Being from a broken home and raised in my formative years by my dad I can comment on this with some authority. I'm not exactly impartial but my old man didn't do a bad job with teenage me. The sharp edges he couldn't knock off were dealt with by a couple of decent College lecturers, a couple of good mentors at work, an woman and time. I couldn't have asked for more from my dad, he let me find my feet but was there to kick me up the arse when I needed it or catch me before I fell too far. My old dear on the other hand, hmmmm.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:07:31 GMT
It depends if you believe a same sex couple cannot provide a loving parental relationship or not. Lots of male/female couples are shit at being parents. But what about my point about a child wanting to have a Mummy? You are automatically assuming that the child will, what is to say they will? If they are brought up in a loving stable family environment. Lots of kids don't get anything like this from heterosexual couples so if the parents are sound why would they?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 14, 2018 22:17:07 GMT
I know my view will probably be considered old fashioned, but I don't think same sex couples should have children. This is not because I have problems with homosexual couples but based on the same belief that there should not be fertility treatment for hetrosexual couples who can't have children.
People seem to treat having children as a "right" and not something that fortune dictates
If you can't have children naturally then you shouldn't seek to get round nature ...... just my view
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Post by thebfg on Feb 14, 2018 22:19:26 GMT
I agree that two daddies or even two mummies can bring up kids the same as or better than most mummy and daddies.
It does bring up a couple of questions for me.
What happens if the two dad's split up? Now only one is the real dad. Would it be a case that the other would not have many rights according to law and the courts.
How do they pick the dad? Is it pot luck, have a threesome and see whos tadpoles win. Or like as suggested mix em up and see whos gets out of the baster first.
More importantly what about mum. What if she changes here mind and fights for custody a few years down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:21:52 GMT
I know my view will probably be considered old fashioned, but I don't think same sex couples should have children. This is not because I have problems with homosexual couples but based on the same belief that there should not be fertility treatment for hetrosexual couples who can't have children. People seem to treat having children as a "right" and not something that fortune dictates If you can't have children naturally then you shouldn't seek to get round nature ...... just my view Agreed. I sometimes think people who can't naturally have children are the lucky ones. I have had two children naturally with a woman. I suppose its rude of me to suggest that people who can't are lucky but children "remap" your life so massively I do sometimes wonder about it all.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 14, 2018 22:21:58 GMT
I know my view will probably be considered old fashioned, but I don't think same sex couples should have children. This is not because I have problems with homosexual couples but based on the same belief that there should not be fertility treatment for hetrosexual couples who can't have children. People seem to treat having children as a "right" and not something that fortune dictates If you can't have children naturally then you shouldn't seek to get round nature ...... just my view I presume it's not available on the NHS. But what if they pay for it? I'm not having a go but if you can't have children naturally, do you not feel that should apply to all. As you say it's not a right. Just intrested.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 14, 2018 22:25:32 GMT
I know my view will probably be considered old fashioned, but I don't think same sex couples should have children. This is not because I have problems with homosexual couples but based on the same belief that there should not be fertility treatment for hetrosexual couples who can't have children. People seem to treat having children as a "right" and not something that fortune dictates If you can't have children naturally then you shouldn't seek to get round nature ...... just my view I presume it's not available on the NHS. But what if they pay for it? I'm not having a go but if you can't have children naturally, do you not feel that should apply to all. As you say it's not a right. Just intrested. I believe that is what I implied in my post ..... it is certainly what I meant ....... I don't believe it should be used .... period
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Post by Delta9 on Feb 14, 2018 22:45:03 GMT
I know my view will probably be considered old fashioned, but I don't think same sex couples should have children. This is not because I have problems with homosexual couples but based on the same belief that there should not be fertility treatment for hetrosexual couples who can't have children. People seem to treat having children as a "right" and not something that fortune dictates If you can't have children naturally then you shouldn't seek to get round nature ...... just my view I don't think it is comparable to fertility treatment. I don't support the state paying for fertility treatment, and I wouldn't support the state funding a gay couple having a child, but if they want to adopt or pay a lady to have the child for them, who am I to prevent them? I don't think it is down to them thinking they have a "right" to a child. They want a child and can afford to purchase one. Fair play to them.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 14, 2018 22:48:29 GMT
I presume it's not available on the NHS. But what if they pay for it? I'm not having a go but if you can't have children naturally, do you not feel that should apply to all. As you say it's not a right. Just intrested. I believe that is what I implied in my post ..... it is certainly what I meant ....... I don't believe it should be used .... period You did bit I wasent sure so I was kind of double checking. I beleive that if it ain't meant to be then well it ain't meant to be. But there's nothing stopping anyone getting a girl pregnant ( a gay couple) and then applying for custody. Even easier for a lesbian couple. One only has to go pull a few blokes at a nightclub and get pregnant.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 14, 2018 22:49:45 GMT
Wow some interesting points for a change!
1/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and dad always fighting, beating the kids up, screwing around, life of crime, and the worst crime of all - being thick.
2/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and a dad who split up, mum goes off with another woman. I mean at least poofs have style. Lesbians have no sense of style and they smell of cat pee.
3/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and dad who split up, leaving mum to bring the kids up on benefits and /or pack them off to child care whilst she works all hours.
4/ I do agree with the sentiment that having kids is seen as some "right", and that the kids are the last humans not to have any human rights of their own.
5/ Personally I don't want to have any kids, although it is a shame because I would be a great dad and be able to pass on some of my wisdom (but only if they had enormous brains).
6/ Presumably both dads will become the legal parents, the one with the slower sperm adopting the kid. They are quite rich so if the mother tries any crap on, they can just have her executed.
7/ It probably would be slightly weird to know that your mother did a deal to give you away, but it happens all the time with adopted kids. Especially with catholic single mothers. There are far worse things that can happen to kids
8/ Yes some parents (probably the ones on here) do teach their children to abuse, tease and bully all other children on whatever grounds they can think up, but slowly that is dying out and these days it's cool and trendy to have gay parents. So last century to have straight ones. So I think that by the time this kid is of school age, it really won't be an issue.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 14, 2018 22:50:18 GMT
I know my view will probably be considered old fashioned, but I don't think same sex couples should have children. This is not because I have problems with homosexual couples but based on the same belief that there should not be fertility treatment for hetrosexual couples who can't have children. People seem to treat having children as a "right" and not something that fortune dictates If you can't have children naturally then you shouldn't seek to get round nature ...... just my view I don't think it is comparable to fertility treatment. I don't support the state paying for fertility treatment, and I wouldn't support the state funding a gay couple having a child, but if they want to adopt or pay a lady to have the child for them, who am I to prevent them? I don't think it is down to them thinking they have a "right" to a child. They want a child and can afford to purchase one. Fair play to them. This comes back to what I was saying earlier. You are viewing the child solely as a commodity which can be purchased.
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Post by Delta9 on Feb 14, 2018 22:54:19 GMT
I don't think it is comparable to fertility treatment. I don't support the state paying for fertility treatment, and I wouldn't support the state funding a gay couple having a child, but if they want to adopt or pay a lady to have the child for them, who am I to prevent them? I don't think it is down to them thinking they have a "right" to a child. They want a child and can afford to purchase one. Fair play to them. This comes back to what I was saying earlier. You are viewing the child solely as a commodity which can be purchased. Not solely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:59:25 GMT
Fuckin world's going nuts.
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