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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 23:58:43 GMT
Nature is such, that two men cannot shag each other and have a baby, yet. This is the actual point. Dragging it off course and suggesting it compares to ivf etc is ridiculous. In my view anyway. You are so thick. Of course two men can shag each other and have a baby. They get on with the rumpy-pumpy fun bit, meanwhile some poor woman with a turkey baster does all the hard work. In what way is that not a great way of doing it? The only thicko on this forum Norman is you. You have gone out of your way to prove this very point. You need not provide any more evidence.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 15, 2018 0:31:25 GMT
Wow some interesting points for a change! 1/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and dad always fighting, beating the kids up, screwing around, life of crime, and the worst crime of all - being thick. 2/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and a dad who split up, mum goes off with another woman. I mean at least poofs have style. Lesbians have no sense of style and they smell of cat pee. 3/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and dad who split up, leaving mum to bring the kids up on benefits and /or pack them off to child care whilst she works all hours. 4/ I do agree with the sentiment that having kids is seen as some "right", and that the kids are the last humans not to have any human rights of their own. 5/ Personally I don't want to have any kids, although it is a shame because I would be a great dad and be able to pass on some of my wisdom (but only if they had enormous brains). 6/ Presumably both dads will become the legal parents, the one with the slower sperm adopting the kid. They are quite rich so if the mother tries any crap on, they can just have her executed. 7/ It probably would be slightly weird to know that your mother did a deal to give you away, but it happens all the time with adopted kids. Especially with catholic single mothers. There are far worse things that can happen to kids 8/ Yes some parents (probably the ones on here) do teach their children to abuse, tease and bully all other children on whatever grounds they can think up, but slowly that is dying out and these days it's cool and trendy to have gay parents. So last century to have straight ones. So I think that by the time this kid is of school age, it really won't be an issue. Last year I went to Richard and Simons wedding its was a great do and they are great guys, however by their own admission gay years are like dog years and most gay couples dont last as long as they have! Which then causes the problem of broken homes if they have fathered children, its pretty much the same as straight sex couples problems. So the question is still the same for me, like John I am not into fertility treatment and I would cancel the whole of the NHS budget for it,we have far to many children looking for homes without bringing any more into it! If a gay couple want a child easy adopt or one/both of them get a lady pregnant and end up with the child but please remember a child is for life not just Christmas! Also that child might have a hard time at school, because kids as we know, can be right vicious bullies when they see something different
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 15, 2018 1:57:58 GMT
It's not fucking rocket science. How does an adult need this explaining to them? 4 pages and counting of adults talking and explaining about poofs having kids! π Thank god you posted your enthralling thread talking about cheap, shitty heating logs to entertain the forum members!!
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Post by quaysider on Feb 15, 2018 7:47:09 GMT
I haven't got time at the mo as I'm dashing out (no pun) but Peter summed it up for me. It's good (in a way) that society has moved on and accepts 2 dads more BUT children of biggots WONT have moved on and their (the poofs) kids will be ragged something awful in the playground by the minority - which, as we'll all remember are the ones with the biggest mouths at school.
AS for IVF - if you can afford it.. fine. Andys twin nephews are here as a result of it... 1st round on the nhs (failed)... 3 times later paid for by themselves... and bingo. NHS shouldn't fund any of it . If I couldn't afford to drink and smoke(I dont do the latter) I wouldn't do it. period. same for kids. if you can't afford them HOWEVER they're conceived, don't have any - this planet is over populated anyway.
I nearly had a kid at 19 - was engaged... luckily (which sounds awful) she lost the baby and we split up. HOW different my life would have been is a scary thought.
Peace people x
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:02:34 GMT
A very difficult issue.
My neice has three young daughters, two of whom were born using IVF.
I wear spectacles as I am genetically programmed to have poor eyesight.
Sometimes nature needs a hand.
Forgive me as a childless man 'spouting' on this matter, but in my view a child needs time and love. I am unconvinced that it matters who from.
I know personally more hetrosexual couples who have split, divorced etc than same sex couples (only one). Couples fall out of love but it's a poor argument for not having children don't you think. There's a whole branch of law predicated on family break-ups.
The odds against living 'happily ever after' are not good for any of us, but we have to believe it's for ever don't we?
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 15, 2018 8:28:51 GMT
Wow some interesting points for a change! 1/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and dad always fighting, beating the kids up, screwing around, life of crime, and the worst crime of all - being thick. 2/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and a dad who split up, mum goes off with another woman. I mean at least poofs have style. Lesbians have no sense of style and they smell of cat pee. 3/ 2 loving dads are better than a mum and dad who split up, leaving mum to bring the kids up on benefits and /or pack them off to child care whilst she works all hours. 4/ I do agree with the sentiment that having kids is seen as some "right", and that the kids are the last humans not to have any human rights of their own. 5/ Personally I don't want to have any kids, although it is a shame because I would be a great dad and be able to pass on some of my wisdom (but only if they had enormous brains). 6/ Presumably both dads will become the legal parents, the one with the slower sperm adopting the kid. They are quite rich so if the mother tries any crap on, they can just have her executed. 7/ It probably would be slightly weird to know that your mother did a deal to give you away, but it happens all the time with adopted kids. Especially with catholic single mothers. There are far worse things that can happen to kids 8/ Yes some parents (probably the ones on here) do teach their children to abuse, tease and bully all other children on whatever grounds they can think up, but slowly that is dying out and these days it's cool and trendy to have gay parents. So last century to have straight ones. So I think that by the time this kid is of school age, it really won't be an issue. Last year I went to Richard and Simons wedding its was a great do and they are great guys, however by their own admission gay years are like dog years and most gay couples dont last as long as they have! Which then causes the problem of broken homes if they have fathered children, its pretty much the same as straight sex couples problems. So the question is still the same for me, like John I am not into fertility treatment and I would cancel the whole of the NHS budget for it,we have far to many children looking for homes without bringing any more into it! If a gay couple want a child easy adopt or one/both of them get a lady pregnant and end up with the child but please remember a child is for life not just Christmas! Also that child might have a hard time at school, because kids as we know, can be right vicious bullies when they see something different Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that gay relationships last significantly less time than straight ones? Jeff and I have been together for 26 years now, my younger cousin has been with his husband for about 20 years. I know so many straight couples whose marriages donβt last. My best (straight) mate has been married 3 times and is onto his 4th partner. In summary, I think your supposition is classic ignorant prejudice in action.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 15, 2018 8:30:28 GMT
A very difficult issue. My neice has three young daughters, two of whom were born using IVF. I wear spectacles as I am genetically programmed to have poor eyesight. Sometimes nature needs a hand. Forgive me as a childless man 'spouting' on this matter, but in my view a child needs time and love. I am unconvinced that it matters who from. I know personally more hetrosexual couples who have split, divorced etc than same sex couples (only one). Couples fall out of love but it's a poor argument for not having children don't you think. There's a whole branch of law predicated on family break-ups. The odds against living 'happily ever after' are not good for any of us, but we have to believe it's for ever don't we? Rog Ah so when you want to give an opinion about children you must be forgiven, but when I do it I am a pariah!
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 15, 2018 8:36:16 GMT
How do they pick the dad? Is it pot luck, have a threesome and see whos tadpoles win. Will they still want the child if it pops out a mongoloid? Doubt it, poofs only want beautiful kids. But theyβd just send it back to the shop and demand a refund.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 15, 2018 8:45:42 GMT
When 'your' child is a teenager and turns out to be interested in girls (if a boy) or boys (if a girl), it may be embarrassing for them to bring their schoolmates homes with Daddy 1 and Daddy 2 cuddling in the kitchen. Kids are very cruel (just like adults!) and rumours and gossip spread like wildfire at school. This is such an outdated idea, although I can see it being a problem in the swamps of Finland. Poofs are cool and stylish, and with modern kids being so superficial and materialistic the kid picked up by the well dressed gym-bunny dad in the pink pound car will be king, whereas the kids picked up by the fat ugly straggly baggily-dressed styleless straight dad, or the frumpy saggy βIβve have my kids so now i must look as ugly as possible to discourage him from wanting sexβ mum will be the ones getting stick. Rumours and gossip only spread when the truth is being hidden.
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Post by bodger on Feb 15, 2018 8:58:53 GMT
Some people have come to the 'end of the genetic line' and 'Nature' says 'bye 'bye to you - so you can't have normal kids but those with 'genetic mutations/faults' - children that could not survive 'in Nature'.
cruel but true...
I admire their courage, but at the same time feel slightly sickened by news reports of, couples who have kids with unsustainable defects who are saved by our wonderful health system but who will live their lives dependant on full time care.
Let us hope that our brave new world doesn't ever come to believe that such unfortunate kids should have the right to grow to maturity and then to be able to procreate with medical assistance.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 15, 2018 9:03:43 GMT
I wear spectacles as I am genetically programmed to have poor eyesight. Glasses are unnatural. Everyone who wears them would have been eaten by the lions because you thought they were pussycats. People who need glasses - should they be allowed to have children, because their children will carry the 'bad eyes' genes on and on... Perhaps it's time for a cull! Living beyond your early twenties is unnatural. Start popping out sprogs at 13 and get killed in a battle or eaten by a dinosaur at 19 is nature's way.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 15, 2018 9:08:28 GMT
Poofs are cool and stylish And bitchy! Exactly - thus pretty good at publicly humiliating the brats of any straight parents who are giving their little darling any grief. Personally, I can turn a bullying child into a sobbing wreck from 50 yards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 9:11:43 GMT
treatment for a disease is somewhat different trying to get round a genetic problem is somewhat different Some 'diseases', 'illnesses' and other states of health are pre-determined by one's genetics.Β It is a complicated subject. Has anyone ever seen a cat give birth, recognise that one of her kittens is 'not normal' and then eaten it? I have. Faulty product - dispose of! . We had a cat which produced a lot of kittens which my mum sold in Loot in the late 80s. Abyssinian mixed with some local cat usually got nice kittens. Yes sometimes the mother did eat "faulty" kittens. Disturbing but natural. What was rather more disturbing was when one of the dogs who shared the scullery with the cats ate one of the kittens. That was just rude.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 9:12:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 9:13:25 GMT
I haven't got time at the mo as I'm dashing out (no pun) but Peter summed it up for me. It's good (in a way) that society has moved on and accepts 2 dads more BUT children of biggots WONT have moved on and their (the poofs) kids will be ragged something awful in the playground by the minority - which, as we'll all remember are the ones with the biggest mouths at school. Not sure if I have understood what you are getting at - surely taking this further would mean children who are gay should not admit it as they might get bullied because of it.AS for IVF - if you can afford it.. fine. I think a balance is needed otherwise life becomes more about how much money you have.Peace people x
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