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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 19:05:00 GMT
Well as a complete misunderstanding of what some of us have said in the past that is a pretty good effort. what was condemned as racism was the oft made assumption by some that all people who were a 'little bit brown skinned' potentially posed a risk to us as terrorists. This was and still is complete nonsense. These latest attacks including the one today are the work of psychopaths with serious mental health problems otherwise how could they possibly carry through such a thing? of course they claim allegiance to IS and of course IS claim them as their 'soldiers' but the reality is the numbers of people willing to carry out such a despicable thing as what happened today in Normandy are in the massive minority, if we lose sight of that and see all of the Muslim community as a risk we are on a very slippery soap. think back to the 70's, did we see all Irish people as potential terrorists? No we didn't so what's different here, I'll tell you what, a deep seated long standing distrust and dislike of people with a darker skin colour, of course some will deny it but what else can account for a deep dislike and distrust that results in lumping all of a group based in the actions of a few, that is where your 'ism' comes from plain and simple. If you do that that IS racism. I don't think its quite as simple as that Martin and your comparison with the Irish situation is tenuous to say the least. Its that old Met Police Conundrum whereby they are accused of Racism for targeting young Black Males,despite the fact that statistically thats where the crime occurs.Muslims statistically provide the ethnic group from where Terrorist Attacks come,and I further suggest that the relative silence of Muslim Leaders condemning these outrages hasn't helped the PR either. well i happen to think it is quite simple. if you do a 'trump' and close borders to all people of a particular religion because of the actions of a few that is racism. Or if you want to argue about 'can racism be applied to a religion', bigotry.
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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 26, 2016 19:11:45 GMT
Saudi Arabia, mostly. But Qatar, the UAE and some of the other Gulf states are supporters too. For a long time Turkey, our supposed NATO ally, was providing funding by buying the oil IS stole from Syria and Iraq. It took Russia to put a stop to that by destroying their transport mechanisms. Syria (Assad), Russia, Iran and the Kurds are the only real threat to IS, yet we define the first three as our adversaries and throw the Kurds under the bus in order to kiss Erdogan's ass. ...and where did/does Saudi get most of their money from? They get the vast majority of their money from the sale of oil, which is purchased by the entire world, except oil-producing countries like Russia, Venezuela etc. But the whole world adds to Saudi coffers, so I'm not quite sure what your point is. Saudi Arabia sees the writing on the wall as far as the decline in fossil fuel use goes, and they are now starting to use their vast wealth to get heavily into the financial and investment sector.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 19:25:11 GMT
It's worse than that. Most of us are part of the world's capitalist machine, so we are partly guilty of allowing the funding. It's partially an own goal. Its one of those where you want an armchair and plenty of time. I have always doubted the existence of this Illuminatti/Capitalist Cabal but I know you'd delight in putting me right That's surprising, regardless of conspiracy theories and alike, elite captilists and the Illuminatti do exist. There will always be a pyramid structure to any system humans try to come up with. The thing which really matters is whether those in power are nice and well meaning ...or not. There is good and bad in everything. The trick is to see through the smoke screens which hide the bad and take on board some personal responsibilty for making the world a better place for all of us. That starts by trying to be nice to those directly around us. Family, freinds and strangers we bump into. Nobody is perfect though, and we can all be hypocrites at times. It's just making an effort really. Unfortunately it seems that our religions have become so entrenched in the intricacies of the rules and forgotten the most important things like love, kindness and general niceness.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 26, 2016 20:13:58 GMT
I don't think its quite as simple as that Martin and your comparison with the Irish situation is tenuous to say the least. Its that old Met Police Conundrum whereby they are accused of Racism for targeting young Black Males,despite the fact that statistically thats where the crime occurs.Muslims statistically provide the ethnic group from where Terrorist Attacks come,and I further suggest that the relative silence of Muslim Leaders condemning these outrages hasn't helped the PR either. well i happen to think it is quite simple. if you do a 'trump' and close borders to all people of a particular religion because of the actions of a few that is racism. Or if you want to argue about 'can racism be applied to a religion', bigotry. This "Trumpism" is massively misquoted and distorted,he called for in the middle of an Election Campaign,a closure of the borders "till we get a handle on whats going on". You very cannily avoid my point though Martin,and I shall once again set it out,when a terrorist offence is committed by members of a sole Religion you therefore target that religion.Is that targeting to your mind always racism or bigotry ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 20:24:17 GMT
well i happen to think it is quite simple. if you do a 'trump' and close borders to all people of a particular religion because of the actions of a few that is racism. Or if you want to argue about 'can racism be applied to a religion', bigotry. This "Trumpism" is massively misquoted and distorted,he called for in the middle of an Election Campaign,a closure of the borders "till we get a handle on whats going on". You very cannily avoid my point though Martin,and I shall once again set it out,when a terrorist offence is committed by members of a sole Religion you therefore target that religion.Is that targeting to your mind always racism or bigotry ? I cannily avoided nothing, you just failed to grasp what I was saying.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 26, 2016 21:09:16 GMT
This "Trumpism" is massively misquoted and distorted,he called for in the middle of an Election Campaign,a closure of the borders "till we get a handle on whats going on". You very cannily avoid my point though Martin,and I shall once again set it out,when a terrorist offence is committed by members of a sole Religion you therefore target that religion.Is that targeting to your mind always racism or bigotry ? I cannily avoided nothing, you just failed to grasp what I was saying. I grasped entirely what you were saying,I just don't believe its that simple where this particular group is concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 21:15:52 GMT
Ok.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 26, 2016 21:33:05 GMT
Donald-Duck Trump is an old fart who is going to soon have a heart attack or stroke. He is a shrewd money-maker though as he's flogging Vote Trump baseball hats for 15 bucks a piece. He's popular simply because westerners have had enough of slimy, lying, crooked and arrogant Arabs. They will never 'integrate' they just want to dominate the West. And they have made a good foot-hold so far. Donald Trump is a clown - just a front for the gearwheels of American Politics. Remember not to hurt Philip Green's Capitalist fweelings - or he may sue you! Fuck you Philip - I still have a BHS card with 2 tea stamps on it: 5 and I get a free one. Not any more thanks to you! What a twat - stole my free cuppa. He's a marked man!
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 14:39:13 GMT
If it walks like a racist, quacks like a racist and is a racist its probably a racist.
Or something like that.
It is racist to judge a whole group by the actions of a few, even if that few number in the thousands they are still few in relation to the total group.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 27, 2016 15:18:54 GMT
If it walks like a racist, quacks like a racist and is a racist its probably a racist. Or something like that. It is racist to judge a whole group by the actions of a few, even if that few number in the thousands they are still few in relation to the total group. Well its interesting you have answered in that way,I was attempting to clarify if Martin felt similar with the addendum of course,of this Terrorism. What your saying is,and I don't seek to make any point at your expense,that you would let in say 100,000 even if 2000 were Terrorists or at least turned out to be ? All in an attempt to assuage your sense of Humanity ?
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Post by haulierp on Jul 27, 2016 15:22:17 GMT
If it walks like a racist, quacks like a racist and is a racist its probably a racist. Or something like that. It is racist to judge a whole group by the actions of a few, even if that few number in the thousands they are still few in relation to the total group. I don't think its a question of Racism in the General Publics eyes,I think its more a case of these people don't integrate and if they are trouble then we don't want them.Protectionism more than anything else.Sharia Courts,Honour Killings,Rape of white kids by Asian Gangs,FGM,Today we have a young Muslim Girl in Wales found kept in a cage because she was becoming too Westernised.My friend,we have problems with Muslims in this country. To say its not all of them means nothing, the same as saying that not all Germans were responsible for the Holocaust. Fall in love with a young Muslim Girl in your office or factory and see how long it takes you to meet the Parents,in some parts of Britain you would both be murdered quicker.
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Post by hilda on Jul 27, 2016 15:46:18 GMT
haulierP totally agree hilda
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 27, 2016 15:53:35 GMT
If it walks like a racist, quacks like a racist and is a racist its probably a racist. Or something like that. It is racist to judge a whole group by the actions of a few, even if that few number in the thousands they are still few in relation to the total group. Not really. It would not be unreasonable to assume you would be more likely to get your head kicked in by a gang of Millwall supporters than a bunch of pink-haired old ladies, or to cross the road to walk through the latter group rather than the former even if you had never met any of the people involved in that scenario. There's no "prejudice" in that assumption, merely an understanding of the laws of probability.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 16:04:36 GMT
If it walks like a racist, quacks like a racist and is a racist its probably a racist. Or something like that. It is racist to judge a whole group by the actions of a few, even if that few number in the thousands they are still few in relation to the total group. Not really. It would not be unreasonable to assume you would be more likely to get your head kicked in by a gang of Millwall supporters than a bunch of pink-haired old ladies, or to cross the road to walk through the latter group rather than the former even if you had never met any of the people involved in that scenario. There's no "prejudice" in that assumption, merely an understanding of the laws of probability. The media has twisted our perception of the laws of probability. For example, how many people get murdered in this country (or the USA) every year (without the media attending to racial motives)?
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Post by hilda on Jul 27, 2016 16:08:48 GMT
its a puzzlement to me all that killing of inoccents, but it isnt making me like muslims or trust thhem hilda
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