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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 27, 2016 20:25:52 GMT
I've got nothing against Arabs or any other nationality or race or genetic-wotsit. I'd even be happy to have a dwarf give us a hand with painting our gas locker. I take each person as they come. But I have seen 5000 Somalis and observed their manners and I feel that the 5001st will probably be much the same. People I detest are the 2-faced who would call me a racist to impress their right-on friends, whilst they themselves regard 'foreigners' as filth, and live in neighbourhoods occupied only by 'people they wish to mingle with' (ie. no foreigners). 5000 exactly or just thereabouts? I dont doubt those youve met have behaved the way you say they did, it might have something to do with attitudes towards them from those you saw the interacting with or it may not, but I wouldnt describe all Somalis on that basis as you did with Arabs, I might expect the next one to behave as the others did but thats a completely different thing altogether as we discussed earlier. You do understand that Somalia is the only country in the world without a government? If they cannot even understand the concept of order in their own country, what makes you think that they could understand it when they rock up in Dover?
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 20:29:09 GMT
I reckon ammodels is one of Sabcat's sock puppets. I think AMModels has a valid point of view,I just don't happen to share it. Does anyone else think that all those old parameters of what once would be considered Racist are now barely valid.Post Brexit British People view things totally different from that London Centric Liberal Elite.I think that a large section of the Population are tired of being talked down to over the benefits of the great "cultural melting pot",we just don't get it, its not our experience,we see NO BENEFITS I think its close to it although I dont think we can rewrite what is actually racist according to populist sentiment. A few months ago I would probably have considered racial profiling racist but it isnt especially not in the context of the terror attacks, it is still racist in my eyes to lob bricks through someones windows and telling them to get back to their own country, but thats probably me playing the race card.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 20:30:56 GMT
5000 exactly or just thereabouts? I dont doubt those youve met have behaved the way you say they did, it might have something to do with attitudes towards them from those you saw the interacting with or it may not, but I wouldnt describe all Somalis on that basis as you did with Arabs, I might expect the next one to behave as the others did but thats a completely different thing altogether as we discussed earlier. You do understand that Somalia is the only country in the world without a government? If they cannot even understand the concept of order in their own country, what makes you think that they could understand it when they rock up in Dover? I am sure that there is not a single Somalian in the world that understand the concept of government, or laws or order, and that is definitely not a racist view.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 20:32:59 GMT
So, if a number of Russians cheat and they are all treated as cheats it's 'stupid' to consider this a racist decision. On the other hand, someone who meets 5000, or 5001 Somalis and finds them unpleasant and therefore considers most Somalis to be unpleasant is a nasty racist person. Ermmm. As that particular decision was based on evidence that Russian officials systematically defrauded the drug testing system and that was the basis for the proposed ban then no, it wasnt a racist decision it was one based on the federation as a whole being tainted by their actions. Do try and keep up. and yes. Well done.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 20:39:31 GMT
Well, I'm lost in this discussion. But if I saw a Middle Eastern / Arab in trouble I would certainly consider helping them. First steps before judgement. I suppose I speak my mind too freely, but to be fair you should know me for, say, a year before making up your mind whether I'm nice or nasty. And so to bed... left the chimney puffing away... cosy when we get back. Or on fire!!! What you said before was racist, what you are saying now isnt. Is this really too hard for people to understand or are we just to ignore racism because to notice it is playing 'the race card'?? Growing up an asian family moved onto our estate, this was a totally white estate very working class, very tribal as HP said. Two days it took before a mob was on the street outside their house throwing stones and rubbish and shouting at them to leave. Wisely they did and everything went back to normal, that was racism, they were judged not as individuals but as a representative of a group based on race or colour or religion. Just because you dont throw stones or fire bombs or say it to someones face doesnt make it any less racist to judge someone purely as a member of a race, religion or colour. When I said Foxy was racist it was because of what he wrote, his actions, it wasnt some mythical card to close down a discussion. Frankly its childish to see the race card brought out and it is invariably pulled out by someone wanting to shut down a discussion and it is always played by someone who thinks calling somebody out for their racism is wrong in some way.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 27, 2016 20:43:30 GMT
Russian officials may well have systematically abused the system, this doubtless resulted in Russians getting away with cheating.
But not all of them. There is no evidence that ALL Russians are drug cheats. As such to propose a total ban on all Russian athletes was racist. It would probably have been acceptable to subject Russians to additional testing, by an approved and safe body before being allowed to compete. This is the methodology that you used to think was racist, but you don't now.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 27, 2016 20:47:16 GMT
When I said Foxy was racist it was because of what he wrote, his actions, it wasnt some mythical card to close down a discussion. Yes it was. Now go and sit on the Cunt Step until you are able to discuss matters sensibly.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 20:51:20 GMT
When I said Foxy was racist it was because of what he wrote, his actions, it wasnt some mythical card to close down a discussion. Yes it was. Now go and sit on the Cunt Step until you are able to discuss matters sensibly. Fuck off spunktrumpet, only person trying to shut down the convo was you and your fucking race card. Only one type of person carries those, they usually carry a twat visa as well I think Tomsk should issue you another if youve lost yours.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 27, 2016 20:57:38 GMT
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 21:06:17 GMT
Oh look a race card meme, thats new.
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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 27, 2016 21:06:23 GMT
POINT OF ORDER, GENTLEMEN:
"Using the race card" is injecting race into a conversation about something other than race. You can't really use a "race card" in a discussion such as this because the discussion is already about race/ethnicity/cultures.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 27, 2016 21:33:07 GMT
POINT OF ORDER, GENTLEMEN: "Using the race card" is injecting race into a conversation about something other than race. You can't really use a "race card" in a discussion such as this because the discussion is already about race/ethnicity/cultures. Ssshhh its keeping Icon amused.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 22:58:31 GMT
Not really. It would not be unreasonable to assume you would be more likely to get your head kicked in by a gang of Millwall supporters than a bunch of pink-haired old ladies, or to cross the road to walk through the latter group rather than the former even if you had never met any of the people involved in that scenario. There's no "prejudice" in that assumption, merely an understanding of the laws of probability. The media has twisted our perception of the laws of probability. For example, how many people get murdered in this country (or the USA) every year (without the media attending to racial motives)? Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 23:11:20 GMT
POINT OF ORDER, GENTLEMEN: "Using the race card" is injecting race into a conversation about something other than race. You can't really use a "race card" in a discussion such as this because the discussion is already about race/ethnicity/cultures. Minor detail, don't spoil it, I think Southern Star perhaps failed to read the OP before he called on his library of well worn pictures that he can no longer trot out on CWDF.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 28, 2016 9:15:24 GMT
I wondered how many had watched Ross Kemp's excellent 'Fight against ISIS' programme? Some very telling interviews with those fighting against IS, including an opposing muslim fighter saying how IS have "turned him off Islam " he said it with a smile on his face, showing he was joking about his religion which was obviously still important to him, just like many christians do. He explained how IS arent spreading any kind of Islam he knows or wants to know and that they are just killers hiding behind religion for personal gain, he was leading the fightback in the Kurdish area and seemed like a great character.
He was shot and killed shortly after the crew left by a sniper from IS. This was a few months after being shot and wounded 11 times fighting IS, bloke had balls like jodrell bank if you ask me.
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