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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 16:49:12 GMT
A big give away budget, but no bloody suggestion of where the income stream to fund it is coming from. Weird.
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Post by kris on Mar 11, 2020 17:12:29 GMT
A big give away budget, but no bloody suggestion of where the income stream to fund it is coming from. Weird. That’s next years budget.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 17:21:06 GMT
A big give away budget, but no bloody suggestion of where the income stream to fund it is coming from. Weird. That’s next years budget. I don't believe so...
I understand next years budget includes a multi billion pound cable car from the mainland to NI. Gets around all the difficulties with a bridge or tunnel. Boris has achieved this approach before.
ETA - each 'car' will be wind powered so he will keep the 'Greta's' happy as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 18:36:04 GMT
Some further info.
'This measure, if introduced, is expected to impact users of private pleasure craft who currently use red diesel. It would prohibit the use of red diesel unless a separate tank was used for supplying fuel for domestic use on board. Costs on crafts for installing a separate tank are estimated by their representative bodies at around £500. However, many craft do not have the space for a separate tank and associated other equipment. These craft users would have to use fuel that has had duty paid at 57.95p per litre for domestic use instead of the rebated fuel duty rate of 11.14p per litre they currently use, and VAT at 20%. Customer experience could therefore be negatively impacted given these increased costs. Where craft have one tank for propulsion and heating, the government will explore options that prevent individuals from having to pay a higher rate of duty on their heating use than they would otherwise have to pay. This measure could have an impact on the disposable income available to individuals and their families. However, this would depend entirely on their amount of fuel usage.'
Make of it want you want...
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Post by JohnV on Mar 11, 2020 19:06:01 GMT
The idea is to get through the next 3 months and then we will know how Fuxxed we are and they can then budget sensibly (when they know how many people are left and how much the pension bill has come down)
edit to add cynical ? Moi ?
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Post by metanoia on Mar 11, 2020 19:32:04 GMT
I spoke to a (very old) friend today and when I said they weren't doing anything with red diesel for the next two years the response was:
"well, I should think so - it's ridiculous - they can't take it away because these old engines can only run on red diesel".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 19:35:17 GMT
The funniest one I saw was a canalside sign at Turner's of Wheaton Aston saying DERV {50p} a litre. Can't remember the actual price as it was years ago I just thought them saying it was DERV was quite funny.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 11, 2020 19:54:06 GMT
I spoke to a (very old) friend today and when I said they weren't doing anything with red diesel for the next two years the response was: "well, I should think so - it's ridiculous - they can't take it away because these old engines can only run on red diesel". My engine will only run on red diesel. Furthermore it will only run on red diesel purchased on a 0/100 split. If I made a mistake with the declaration and paid some tax, it would explode.
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Post by metanoia on Mar 11, 2020 19:58:20 GMT
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Post by peterboat on Mar 11, 2020 22:57:44 GMT
I predict that as most marinas only have one tank, that they will only sell white diesel, as it doesnt matter to them in the slightest, and the cost of fitting another tank is very expensive. Tully said that he wouldnt bother at all as its to thievable by far although it would save him having to go to the diesel station
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 23:02:07 GMT
I don't see why people are discussing a non issue. The chancellors speech implied we will be doing the same thing in two years time as we are now. Duty for propulsion, and rebated for heating. No drama.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 12, 2020 8:28:29 GMT
I don't see why people are discussing a non issue. The chancellors speech implied we will be doing the same thing in two years time as we are now. Duty for propulsion, and rebated for heating. No drama. No I think there will be some change. We will be putting in white diesel and that surely will be fully duty paid before it arrives at the retailer, and thus we will need to pay full duty at the point of sale. I would therefore suspect that there will be some mechanism to reclaim the higher duty element from the non-propulsion element, by sending off a form to HMRC etc. Which will make it harder to exaggerate the amount of non-propulsion and mean that boaters have to “up front” the full amount and await the laborious chunterings of HMRC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 8:45:47 GMT
I don't see why people are discussing a non issue. The chancellors speech implied we will be doing the same thing in two years time as we are now. Duty for propulsion, and rebated for heating. No drama. No I think there will be some change. We will be putting in white diesel and that surely will be fully duty paid before it arrives at the retailer, and thus we will need to pay full duty at the point of sale. I would therefore suspect that there will be some mechanism to reclaim the higher duty element from the non-propulsion element, by sending off a form to HMRC etc. Which will make it harder to exaggerate the amount of non-propulsion and mean that boaters have to “up front” the full amount and await the laborious chunterings of HMRC. What "you think" has no bearing on the facts. The chancellor was quite clear on what will happen in two years time. Duty for propulsion, and rebated for heating. The panic storm being created by those on some social media sites, (no doubt looking for some drama), is mildly entertaining I suppose. Fills the little gaps on the internet.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 12, 2020 8:55:22 GMT
No I think there will be some change. We will be putting in white diesel and that surely will be fully duty paid before it arrives at the retailer, and thus we will need to pay full duty at the point of sale. I would therefore suspect that there will be some mechanism to reclaim the higher duty element from the non-propulsion element, by sending off a form to HMRC etc. Which will make it harder to exaggerate the amount of non-propulsion and mean that boaters have to “up front” the full amount and await the laborious chunterings of HMRC. What "you think" has no bearing on the facts. The chancellor was quite clear on what will happen in two years time. Duty for propulsion, and rebated for heating. The panic storm being created by those on some social media sites, (no doubt looking for some drama), is mildly entertaining I suppose. Fills the little gaps on the internet. What I think has no bearing on the facts, but what I think having reviewed the available documentation stands a good chance of reflecting future reality. Yes the chancellor did say what you said he did, but the mechanism to achieve that wasn’t mentioned. It seems clear the diesel will be white and that means the duty will have been paid at the full rate. So there will be some mechanism to reclaim the duty and I can’t see that being at the short term expense of the retailer. But for the time being the government and HMRC are not sure how it will be achieved. Have you reviewed this document?: www.gov.uk/government/publications/fuel-duty-changes-for-diesel-used-in-private-pleasure-craft/fuel-duty-changes-for-diesel-used-in-private-pleasure-craft
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 9:13:51 GMT
What "you think" has no bearing on the facts. The chancellor was quite clear on what will happen in two years time. Duty for propulsion, and rebated for heating. The panic storm being created by those on some social media sites, (no doubt looking for some drama), is mildly entertaining I suppose. Fills the little gaps on the internet. What I think has no bearing on the facts, but what I think having reviewed the available documentation stands a good chance of reflecting future reality. Yes the chancellor did say what you said he did, but the mechanism to achieve that wasn’t mentioned. It seems clear the diesel will be white and that means the duty will have been paid at the full rate. So there will be some mechanism to reclaim the duty and I can’t see that being at the short term expense of the retailer. But for the time being the government and HMRC are not sure how it will be achieved. Have you reviewed this document?: www.gov.uk/government/publications/fuel-duty-changes-for-diesel-used-in-private-pleasure-craft/fuel-duty-changes-for-diesel-used-in-private-pleasure-craftThe colour of what goes into the tank has no real value. The split is the all important part which will not change, that is fact. The only point worth any sort of discussion at all is how they intend to manage that split. Given the recent views of HMRC, that will be done by the end user making a declaration and claiming back the domestic use. People have had ample time to get involved in this issue, almost three years, yet here we are again watching those that buried their heads in the sand when the input was needed, suddenly popping up with doomsday clouds across social media. I'm not suggesting that you are doing such, but it does annoy me when folk shout the loudest after the event.
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