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Post by Trina on Jan 19, 2021 11:19:14 GMT
Have to be honest Mr Lollygagger Sir,since you've had the moderator hat on you seem rather bossy...😁
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 19, 2021 11:21:07 GMT
Hopefully this might clarify what I meant... My mind has always raced and I find alcohol helps give me some peace by dumbing my brain down a bit. Any substance, regardless of label, which is consumed to alter our natural mental or physical nature could be regarded a drug. Back in the late 70s/80s I found an official document in a bookshop which tried to give star ratings for the potency of different drugs. If I remember correctly, cannabis was 2 stars along with caffeine, alcohol was 3 or 4 stars but I remember it saying that mixing cannabis with alcohol was particularly bad. Heroin was 5 stars. As I have said before, if you can enjoy life to it's full without taking any 'drug' or mind altering substance, you are a better person than me. I find vino to be a relaxant as was valium and a few others of similar ilk prescribed during a rather chaotic time mentally For what its worth I see alcohol as a substance as is anything that alters your mindset emotionally. Perhaps there are those who are not significantly affected by alcohol and therefor do not see its mind enhancing properties. I am a bit of a lightweight in that small doses of any drug can be excessive... When Drs were attempting to find something to 'switch off' or 'dampen down' the extreme 'live' super speed up and downs they soon discovered normal doses just too much Ended up with geriatric dose of an old style drug...which I subsequently went cold turkey off with fairly disastrous consequences... As for alcohol..one glass of vino calms anxiety so really for me it has the same effect as 'drugs'... I have known so many people who are better off self medicating with common natural legal or illegal drugs than the brain chewing stuff they hand out like smarties to people who are temporarily and perfectly understandably overwhelmed by "normal" life events. By which I mean relationship break up, illness, job loss, death of loved one etc. Such things need dealing with not stalling forever. I do speak from experience of being prescribed such crap when frankly I was just reacting normally to one of the above. The result was that all aspects of my life continued to fall apart but now I didn't care. It would have been more use to ME if the doc had said "chin up, it's just stuff to deal with, get squiffy if you need to, but do try and chip away at the stuff, that's what will make you feel better".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 11:21:46 GMT
Positions of power are a drug to the mind...
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 19, 2021 11:24:09 GMT
Tell him Nick! I don't drink but I smoke the odd bifta...because in Rog's words I like it. I could feel morally and socially superior to alcohol users because my choice drug doesn't encourage violence, overdosing, throwing up in the street, death or any other attribute associated with alcohol but unlike Rog I know what I know from direct experience and don't feel the need to draw that distinction to make me feel better about being a drug user. So this was a question was it ? Your first post on the issue. Rog Oops! Oh well. At least I de-escalated after that. I hope! That was an honest reaction to how your post read to ME. You still haven't explained your distinction between "drugs" and "drink" BTW. Whatever that is, I wouldn't argue with it, I'm just curious how you do it.
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Post by phil70 on Jan 19, 2021 12:26:35 GMT
Pathetic small child in the playground waiting for the bigger boys to attack someone, then running in for a quick kick before running away to hide. Nobody has run away and hidden, I merely expressed my thoughts on the post rather than doing the usual irksome thing of quoting it, so in essence I suppose to put it in as few a words as possible, I find your present mood or state of mind objectionable, I hold no grudge against you but do wish you would return to sanity and stop acting like a TWAT. Phil
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 19, 2021 12:43:52 GMT
Pathetic small child in the playground waiting for the bigger boys to attack someone, then running in for a quick kick before running away to hide. Nobody has run away and hidden, I merely expressed my thoughts on the post rather than doing the usual irksome thing of quoting it, so in essence I suppose to put it in as few a words as possible, I find your present mood or state of mind objectionable, I hold no grudge against you but do wish you would return to sanity and stop acting like a TWAT. Phil I post quite a lot, so can you point me at exactly what twattish bits of posting you are talking about? Since I’ve recently spent a fair bit of time helping people with electrical stuff, it seems unlikely that it is all of my posting that offends you. Recently, and in reverse order, we have had Dogless seeming to say that alcohol wasn’t a drug. He persistently declined to clarify - his right of course - and the debate continued for a while but generally without rudeness. Then we have JohnV. He disagreed with my opinion on an electrical thread and when I argued back he flew into his usual rage and was rude and obnoxious. I was rude and obnoxious back, but he started it! He then carried that rage over into this thread. Then we have metanoia. About 10 years ago on CWDF I said something to her that she didn’t like and ever since then she has held a grudge that she has carried over onto here. She bides her time and every now and again, without any input from me, she pops up with a nasty snipe. When she criticised my husband (who she knows nothing about and has never met) I let rip, as I hope you would if someone randomly was nasty about chris. She didn’t like that of course, but she started it. If you could be bothered to review this forum you would see that I never initiate an engagement with her, but nevertheless when she is feeling particularly spiteful and bored, up she pops with a nasty snipe. So where am I going wrong?
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Post by JohnV on Jan 19, 2021 12:51:08 GMT
Nobody has run away and hidden, I merely expressed my thoughts on the post rather than doing the usual irksome thing of quoting it, so in essence I suppose to put it in as few a words as possible, I find your present mood or state of mind objectionable, I hold no grudge against you but do wish you would return to sanity and stop acting like a TWAT. Phil Then we have JohnV. He disagreed with my opinion on an electrical thread and when I argued back he flew into his usual rage and was rude and obnoxious. I was rude and obnoxious back, but he started it! He then carried that rage over into this thread. So where am I going wrong? trying to rewrite history
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Post by JohnV on Jan 19, 2021 12:59:30 GMT
just go back and read your post when I pointed out a piece of off the shelf electronics (that you said didn't exist) that could be used as the heart of the device you were saying was not available. As per normal when anyone points out something that you haven't introduced you immediately were condescending and scathing and suggested I didn't know what I was talking about ...... in the industry that I have been involved with since 1960
so twatish is a good description of your latest behaviour
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 13:10:15 GMT
So this was a question was it ? Your first post on the issue. Rog Oops! Oh well. At least I de-escalated after that I hope! That was an honest reaction to how your post read to ME. You still haven't explained your distinction between "drugs" and "drink" BTW. Whatever that is, I wouldn't argue with it, I'm just curious how you do it. Thank you, that's appreciated. Sorry if I wasn't clear in my post ... I'm fully aware how dangerous a drug alcohol is ... much worse in the short term than cannabis in my view. But I genuinely was just identifying from the two choices presented, which was my chosen poison ... nothing more. Thanks Rog
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Post by bodger on Jan 19, 2021 13:11:11 GMT
random philosophy .................. this thread is fucked, nasty and boring
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 13:14:13 GMT
There comes a point where if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... one has to accept the probability it is a duck.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 13:14:30 GMT
just go back and read your post when I pointed out a piece of off the shelf electronics (that you said didn't exist) that could be used as the heart of the device you were saying was not available. As per normal when anyone points out something that you haven't introduced you immediately were condescending and scathing and suggested I didn't know what I was talking about ...... in the industry that I have been involved with since 1960
so twatish is a good description of your latest behaviour
I think both of you try to help out other people. That's got to be a good thing. .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 13:46:34 GMT
I think someone here is fomenting dissent
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 13:56:12 GMT
There comes a point where if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... one has to accept the probability it is a duck. Rog Duck off!
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Post by patty on Jan 19, 2021 15:34:22 GMT
I find vino to be a relaxant as was valium and a few others of similar ilk prescribed during a rather chaotic time mentally For what its worth I see alcohol as a substance as is anything that alters your mindset emotionally. Perhaps there are those who are not significantly affected by alcohol and therefor do not see its mind enhancing properties. I am a bit of a lightweight in that small doses of any drug can be excessive... When Drs were attempting to find something to 'switch off' or 'dampen down' the extreme 'live' super speed up and downs they soon discovered normal doses just too much Ended up with geriatric dose of an old style drug...which I subsequently went cold turkey off with fairly disastrous consequences... As for alcohol..one glass of vino calms anxiety so really for me it has the same effect as 'drugs'... I have known so many people who are better off self medicating with common natural legal or illegal drugs than the brain chewing stuff they hand out like smarties to people who are temporarily and perfectly understandably overwhelmed by "normal" life events. By which I mean relationship break up, illness, job loss, death of loved one etc. Such things need dealing with not stalling forever. I do speak from experience of being prescribed such crap when frankly I was just reacting normally to one of the above. The result was that all aspects of my life continued to fall apart but now I didn't care. It would have been more use to ME if the doc had said "chin up, it's just stuff to deal with, get squiffy if you need to, but do try and chip away at the stuff, that's what will make you feel better". sadly there are times when 'normal' life events escalate to unmanageable proportions and I did struggle for years without any medication but following de personalisation episode which resulted in temporary blindness followed by a distancing of mind from the here and now ..meds necessary..
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