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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 6:52:17 GMT
I don't see why IR35 should suddenly be a problem since it was introduced over twenty years ago, unless of course the haulage industry has only just woken up to its existence. I had to modify my tax affairs when it was introduced to avoid getting stung by it so remember it well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 6:55:27 GMT
Over the past year or so there has been a very significant clamp down on IR35 abuses.
(via the rule changes mentioned by Johnv)
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Post by JohnV on Jun 8, 2021 7:00:39 GMT
I don't see why IR35 should suddenly be a problem since it was introduced over twenty years ago, unless of course the haulage industry has only just woken up to its existence. I had to modify my tax affairs when it was introduced to avoid getting stung by it so remember it well. New rule changes just came into force
just checked from April 2021
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 7:10:25 GMT
I don't see why IR35 should suddenly be a problem since it was introduced over twenty years ago, unless of course the haulage industry has only just woken up to its existence. I had to modify my tax affairs when it was introduced to avoid getting stung by it so remember it well. New rule changes just came into force Wasn't aware of new changes as I stopped dodging IR35 rules in 2019 when I retired.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 8, 2021 7:12:02 GMT
I don't see why IR35 should suddenly be a problem since it was introduced over twenty years ago, unless of course the haulage industry has only just woken up to its existence. I had to modify my tax affairs when it was introduced to avoid getting stung by it so remember it well. There were major changes to IR35 in April 2021. www.gov.uk/guidance/april-2020-changes-to-off-payroll-working-for-clients
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 8, 2021 7:17:20 GMT
IR35 seems to be a major factor, combined with the geographical advantages of working in Germany, I'm sure many of them will be off there after they have regrouped. Is it not simply the case that Brexit has pushed many EU workers back across the channel? Covid, Brexit and IR35 changes are the big three. But many never intended to stay permanently, just save enough to buy a house back home and I'm sure many have made enough to do that now. For others, Germany is more appealing- a Pole who lives in Poznan and works in Berlin can be home in a couple of hours. So now for many the stars are in perfect alignment and it's time to move on.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 8, 2021 7:40:05 GMT
I'm wondering about the figures. I understand that slightly over 5 million EU citizens have applied to remain in Britain. 1.4 million have returned home or gone elsewhere. A few more have done nothing yet, I expect. Let's call it 6.5 million, a year or two ago. Now, I know that the migration was completely out of control so the government wouldn't be likely to have exact figures. Having said that, you'd expect the government to have some kind of idea what was going on. It's not as if governments operate by having wild guesses and writing on the result on the back of fag packets.
Why were government estimates as to the number of EU migrants living in Britain always 'around 3 million'?
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 8, 2021 7:49:32 GMT
I'm wondering about the figures. I understand that slightly over 5 million EU citizens have applied to remain in Britain. 1.4 million have returned home or gone elsewhere. A few more have done nothing yet, I expect. Let's call it 6.5 million, a year or two ago. Now, I know that the migration was completely out of control so the government wouldn't be likely to have exact figures. Having said that, you'd expect the government to have some kind of idea what was going on. It's not as if governments operate by having wild guesses and writing on the result on the back of fag packets. Why were government estimates as to the number of EU migrants living in Britain always 'around 3 million'? As a fairly well travelled person, the thing that has always astonished me is that as far as I’m aware, the UK is the only country that only counts ‘em in, it doesn’t count ‘em out. There is no immigration control for people leaving the country. So it can’t be too surprising that U.K. govt. has no idea how many migrants are still in U.K.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 8, 2021 7:52:26 GMT
I'm wondering about the figures. I understand that slightly over 5 million EU citizens have applied to remain in Britain. 1.4 million have returned home or gone elsewhere. A few more have done nothing yet, I expect. Let's call it 6.5 million, a year or two ago. Now, I know that the migration was completely out of control so the government wouldn't be likely to have exact figures. Having said that, you'd expect the government to have some kind of idea what was going on. It's not as if governments operate by having wild guesses and writing on the result on the back of fag packets. Why were government estimates as to the number of EU migrants living in Britain always 'around 3 million'? As a fairly well travelled person, the thing that has always astonished me is that as far as I’m aware, the UK is the only country that only counts ‘em in, it doesn’t count ‘em out. There is no immigration control for people leaving the country. So it can’t be too surprising that U.K. govt. has no idea how many migrants are still in U.K. The number of people leaving must be known through the use of passenger manifests on ships and planes.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 8, 2021 8:10:25 GMT
Could it be that the 'estimate' was deliberately misleadingly low, for political reasons? OK, we know that there was a movement within government for Brexit, it was ultimately successful. This was a minority movement though with the vast majority, including most of the civil servants responsible for advising and collating data for government operations, firmly in the 'no change' camp.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 8, 2021 11:09:58 GMT
Is it not simply the case that Brexit has pushed many EU workers back across the channel? Why would Romanian gypsies trying to flog The Big Issue have to leave the UK? They have a 'job' which entitles them to benefits. Would they have to apply for new Residence Permits to be allowed to stay in the UK? I would imagine that the proportion of Romanians living in the UK who are Big Issue vendors is probably vanishingly small. In road transport the game changer seems to be the changes to IR35 which has removed much of the opportunity for tax avoidance, and a strong jobs market in Germany.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 8, 2021 11:26:00 GMT
It pays to be careful because an accusation that people from other lands may be criminally avoiding paying their dues could be seen as racist. On the other hand, it's fine to level such an accusation at your fellow British. Actually, it's your public duty to do so.
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Post by Jim on Jun 8, 2021 12:05:24 GMT
I can't but wonder if 'Brexit' hasn't been an almighty mistake leading to a horrible mess for so many - who can say? I can, I told you so.😉
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 8, 2021 12:06:40 GMT
"Shoppers face higher prices or possibly even empty shelves unless more is done to help end a shortage of lorry drivers, the industry has warned. One leading Welsh haulier said lorry firms were facing a "perfect storm", caught between Brexit and Covid. Owens Group in Carmarthenshire said it had lost 50 drivers who were EU citizens, as they did not meet the new criteria for skilled work visas". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57354636Good. Off you trot then Stanislav. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 8, 2021 12:13:28 GMT
As a fairly well travelled person, the thing that has always astonished me is that as far as I’m aware, the UK is the only country that only counts ‘em in, it doesn’t count ‘em out. There is no immigration control for people leaving the country. So it can’t be too surprising that U.K. govt. has no idea how many migrants are still in U.K. The number of people leaving must be known through the use of passenger manifests on ships and planes. But as far as I know, that data isn’t collated. Whilst the raw numbers could in theory be calculated from that data, it wouldn’t be possible to work out whether the numbers were made up from native Brits, or from migrants. One can buy a plane, ferry or train ticket simply on the basis of a name.
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