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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 11:35:28 GMT
Tax things that are optional. Makes perfect sense. Rog, I'm beginning to wonder whether your posts are deliberately provokative. Or really, you're a bit thick. Says someone who can’t spell provocative?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 11:36:43 GMT
Smoking, drinking, eating excessively harmful fatty foods ... these are all things we do through personal choice, and consequently , even though such taxation will adversely affect me, I think they are appropriate targets. But don't worry ... it's only my opinion ... feel free to utterly ignore it. Rog I don't ignore your opinions. Rather, I point out the flaws in your logic. Vape juices already attract VAT. As does eating out in a restaurant, which isn't necessary. It's a personal choice. Just like vaping. For consistency, why not add a large tax to the cost of eating out? After all, the government needs the money. The government could also add large taxes to going to see a football match, a rock concert. Many other things. All personal choices, not things that are necessary to do.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 11:37:44 GMT
Says someone who can’t spell provocative? Thanks for your thought provoking contribution.
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 11:38:33 GMT
Smoking, drinking, eating excessively harmful fatty foods ... these are all things we do through personal choice, and consequently , even though such taxation will adversely affect me, I think they are appropriate targets. But don't worry ... it's only my opinion ... feel free to utterly ignore it. Rog I don't ignore your opinions. Rather, I point out the flaws in your logic. What like being a self proclaimed anarchist who is a stickler for the rule of law.
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 11:39:53 GMT
Thanks for your thought provoking contribution. Your welcome, I just thought I’d point out how stupid you make yourself look sometimes.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 11:41:49 GMT
As you rightly say, the government has no money ... it's ours.
Yes I'd prefer taxes on rock concerts, foreign travel, sports events if necessary rather than taxing essentials to life.
But the issue was your concern on extra tax on vapes , presumably because you vape.
Stop vaping.
Rog
ETA I don't believe I've called you thick but please quote me if so
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 11:59:54 GMT
As you rightly say, the government has no money ... it's ours. Yes I'd prefer taxes on rock concerts, foreign travel, sports events if necessary rather than taxing essentials to life. But the issue was your concern on extra tax on vapes , presumably because you vape. Stop vaping. Rog ETA I don't believe I've called you thick but please quote me if so Well you see rock concerts, sports events, eating out in restaurants etc. etc. aren't credited with being alternative activities which are likely to save many lives. They certainly aren't attributed by some to be the most important development in 'medicine' since the invention of penicillin. I wouldn't expect you to understand. Rather, one person should stop personally vaping- problem solved.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 12:02:14 GMT
Your welcome, I just thought I’d point out how stupid you make yourself look sometimes. Just sometimes? That's progress, I guess. Mind you, I think your notion that there's a direct link between intelligence and impeccable spelling might be disputed by some. Dyslexic people, I guess, are all really thick.
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Post by ianali on Mar 27, 2024 12:08:41 GMT
Your welcome, I just thought I’d point out how stupid you make yourself look sometimes. Just sometimes? That's progress, I guess. Mind you, I think your notion that there's a direct link between intelligence and impeccable spelling might be disputed by some. Dyslexic people, I guess, are all really thick. No their fick!
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Post by ianali on Mar 27, 2024 12:09:14 GMT
Pleasant place here isn’t it.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 12:16:46 GMT
But vaping isn't a health benefit just least worst choice than cigarettes.
Alcohol has minor positive affects (thinning blood for example) but that doesn't make it good.
Rog
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Post by metanoia on Mar 27, 2024 12:20:01 GMT
Pleasant place here isn’t it. Nature abhors a vacuum. Seems the internet does likewise...
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Post by ianali on Mar 27, 2024 12:21:10 GMT
But vaping isn't a health benefit just least worst choice than cigarettes. Alcohol has minor positive affects (thinning blood for example) but that doesn't make it good. Rog Well now you’re just being silly. Alcohol is very, very good!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 12:39:59 GMT
But vaping isn't a health benefit just least worst choice than cigarettes. Alcohol has minor positive affects (thinning blood for example) but that doesn't make it good. Rog Addiction might not be recognised by you as anything more than a weak will. Those who know about these things though recognise that personalities exist which are highly likely to be addicted to a particular, or several activities. It could be drink, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, exercise, sex. Or many other things. Health has moved on from demonising everyone who isn't 'normal'. You know, normal people being those who can have a drink or two and not bother if they don't have another one for a week. Like you, perhaps. It's unlikely that these people have 'strong wills' so are able to resist temptations which others cannot. It's more likely that 'normal' people simply don't have the urges that result from more addictive personalities. All this of course has been discussed in far greater depth than this, by people who have spent their working lives researching and considering such things. Suffice to say, your assertion that a proven aide to stopping a dangerous addiction isn't a health benefit is highly ignorant.
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Post by Jim on Mar 27, 2024 12:48:23 GMT
But vaping isn't a health benefit just least worst choice than cigarettes. Alcohol has minor positive affects (thinning blood for example) but that doesn't make it good. Rog Addiction might not be recognised by you as anything more than a weak will. Those who know about these things though recognise that personalities exist which are highly likely to be addicted to a particular, or several activities. It could be drink, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, exercise, sex. Or many other things. Health has moved on from demonising everyone who isn't 'normal'. You know, normal people being those who can have a drink or two and not bother if they don't have another one for a week. Like you, perhaps. It's unlikely that these people have 'strong wills' so are able to resist temptations which others cannot. It's more likely that 'normal' people simply don't have the urges that result from more addictive personalities. All this of course has been discussed in far greater depth than this, by people who have spent their working lives researching and considering such things. Suffice to say, your assertion that a proven aide to stopping a dangerous addiction isn't a health benefit is highly ignorant. Not the same as quitting though is it. What about kids being attracted to cherry and rhubarb vapes, or whatever. Brightly coloured, marketed at kids with fruit flavours, then there's the disposal to consider, what happens to the lipo4 pouches etc. The other food worthy of taxation is UPF, ultra processed food, if only to pay for the higher health bills incurred by the scoffers in later years, then there's the wear and tear incurred by the extra weight on our infrastructure.
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