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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 14:07:16 GMT
There is that.
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 14:08:19 GMT
What?
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Post by metanoia on Mar 27, 2024 14:11:26 GMT
So are vapes classes as life safers? I thought life safers were a brand of sweets.
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 14:12:44 GMT
Speaking of life safing I have been distributing the excess life rings around the exterior of the Good Ship Dulcinea in a manner which makes them conveniently useable.
Obviously I won't be ending up in the water but I have a heart for suicidal types.
If I can throw a heavy brightly coloured plastic ring at their head with force I can help them on their way. It also helps mark the body for recovery later by the second responders.
One must do one's bit.
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Post by Jim on Mar 27, 2024 14:33:05 GMT
Consider the proliferation of kebab shops, pizza takeaways etc. over the past 30 or so years. And then, the rise in obseity over the same period. It's unlikely that there's no relationship between these two things. Kebabs and pizzas don't offer anyone the chance of better health, unlike nicotine addicts switching from cigarettes to vapes. There's a lot of rubbish that originates from pizza and kebab takeaways. Streets are often strewn with the stuff every weekend morning. Thrown away disposable vapes may result in a rubbish problem but the streets aren't strewn with them. Unlike pizza boxes. Bang a big tax on takeaway food. I'm sure Dogless would be fine with this. If people don't want to pay this they can simply stop eating takeaways. Sorted. Taxing UPF encompasses unhealthy takeaways. I wonder who is biased in this debate btw? Who smokes vapes. How long for, I understand they are only to help quit. Them as quit the EU readily enough should have no trouble quitting nicotine. Where's your willpower.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 14:42:01 GMT
You seem to have taken my comment that taxing optional stuff makes sense to me, as a personal attack.
Traditionally booze and baccy have always attracted high taxation, and despite being a drinker and a former smoker, that makes sense.
For vapes to be included now to make up for the loss of baccy income also makes sense to me.
You clearly disagree but that's okay ... I don't think you are wrong or think you're "a bit thick" we just don't agree.
Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 15:56:31 GMT
Consider the proliferation of kebab shops, pizza takeaways etc. over the past 30 or so years. And then, the rise in obseity over the same period. It's unlikely that there's no relationship between these two things. Kebabs and pizzas don't offer anyone the chance of better health, unlike nicotine addicts switching from cigarettes to vapes. There's a lot of rubbish that originates from pizza and kebab takeaways. Streets are often strewn with the stuff every weekend morning. Thrown away disposable vapes may result in a rubbish problem but the streets aren't strewn with them. Unlike pizza boxes. Bang a big tax on takeaway food. I'm sure Dogless would be fine with this. If people don't want to pay this they can simply stop eating takeaways. Sorted. Taxing UPF encompasses unhealthy takeaways. I wonder who is biased in this debate btw? Who smokes vapes. How long for, I understand they are only to help quit. Them as quit the EU readily enough should have no trouble quitting nicotine. Where's your willpower. I've been addicted to several things in my lifetime. People without addictive tendencies tend not to understand. Just as people who are 'normal' tend not to understand why dyslexic people can't spell properly. And often find it difficult to understand why someone who commits a crime as a result of their instincts isn't treated the same as a normal person who would be considered evil, for acting in such a way. The surprise would be that someone considering themselves 'progressive' might think in the above ways. After all, it was 'progressive' thinking that introduced the notion of the consideration of the way people naturally think, before forming judgment upon their characters.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 16:06:40 GMT
You seem to have taken my comment that taxing optional stuff makes sense to me, as a personal attack. Traditionally booze and baccy have always attracted high taxation, and despite being a drinker and a former smoker, that makes sense. For vapes to be included now to make up for the loss of baccy income also makes sense to me. You clearly disagree but that's okay ... I don't think you are wrong or think you're "a bit thick" we just don't agree. Rog We do indeed disagree on this. I offer logical reasons for my view. They are up for discussion of course but unlikely to be countered by effectively: 'it's always been this way', 'it made sense then so it makes sense now' or 'vaping looks like smoking and people who vape often used to smoke, so vaping should be taxed too' You often readily form your opinions based on simple notions and aren't interested in considering a bigger picture. Perhaps thick was unfair. A simple thinker, perhaps closer to the mark. Don't get me wrong, you write some interesting posts. Especially when you're describing the weather, or food you've eaten in a restaurant.
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 16:07:49 GMT
I find life safers are very taxing.
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Post by Jim on Mar 27, 2024 17:39:25 GMT
Taxing UPF encompasses unhealthy takeaways. I wonder who is biased in this debate btw? Who smokes vapes. How long for, I understand they are only to help quit. Them as quit the EU readily enough should have no trouble quitting nicotine. Where's your willpower. I've been addicted to several things in my lifetime. People without addictive tendencies tend not to understand. Just as people who are 'normal' tend not to understand why dyslexic people can't spell properly. And often find it difficult to understand why someone who commits a crime as a result of their instincts isn't treated the same as a normal person who would be considered evil, for acting in such a way. The surprise would be that someone considering themselves 'progressive' might think in the above ways. After all, it was 'progressive' thinking that introduced the notion of the consideration of the way people naturally think, before forming judgment upon their characters. I've seen addiction of various sorts, lucky not to have those genes myself. I've offered respite for someone to dry out a few times, he has now died as a result of drink affecting his body. But I've also seen it is possible to stop. You are constructing others ideas and motives again. Stop it!
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 18:00:47 GMT
You seem to have taken my comment that taxing optional stuff makes sense to me, as a personal attack. Traditionally booze and baccy have always attracted high taxation, and despite being a drinker and a former smoker, that makes sense. For vapes to be included now to make up for the loss of baccy income also makes sense to me. You clearly disagree but that's okay ... I don't think you are wrong or think you're "a bit thick" we just don't agree. Rog We do indeed disagree on this. I offer logical reasons for my view. They are up for discussion of course but unlikely to be countered by effectively: 'it's always been this way', 'it made sense then so it makes sense now' or 'vaping looks like smoking and people who vape often used to smoke, so vaping should be taxed too' You often readily form your opinions based on simple notions and aren't interested in considering a bigger picture. Perhaps thick was unfair. A simple thinker, perhaps closer to the mark. Don't get me wrong, you write some interesting posts. Especially when you're describing the weather, or food you've eaten in a restaurant. I'm so comforted and reassured to know you like some of my posts. I know I'll sleep better tonight now, thank you. You asked a question and I gave my view. You do know I'm not the chancellor and am not responsible for taxation don't you ? Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 18:27:46 GMT
I've been addicted to several things in my lifetime. People without addictive tendencies tend not to understand. Just as people who are 'normal' tend not to understand why dyslexic people can't spell properly. And often find it difficult to understand why someone who commits a crime as a result of their instincts isn't treated the same as a normal person who would be considered evil, for acting in such a way. The surprise would be that someone considering themselves 'progressive' might think in the above ways. After all, it was 'progressive' thinking that introduced the notion of the consideration of the way people naturally think, before forming judgment upon their characters. I've seen addiction of various sorts, lucky not to have those genes myself. I've offered respite for someone to dry out a few times, he has now died as a result of drink affecting his body. But I've also seen it is possible to stop. You are constructing others ideas and motives again. Stop it! Why would someone with such experience ask another: 'Where's your willpower?'
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 18:32:32 GMT
We do indeed disagree on this. I offer logical reasons for my view. They are up for discussion of course but unlikely to be countered by effectively: 'it's always been this way', 'it made sense then so it makes sense now' or 'vaping looks like smoking and people who vape often used to smoke, so vaping should be taxed too' You often readily form your opinions based on simple notions and aren't interested in considering a bigger picture. Perhaps thick was unfair. A simple thinker, perhaps closer to the mark. Don't get me wrong, you write some interesting posts. Especially when you're describing the weather, or food you've eaten in a restaurant. I'm so comforted and reassured to know you like some of my posts. I know I'll sleep better tonight now, thank you. You asked a question and I gave my view. You do know I'm not the chancellor and am not responsible for taxation don't you ? Rog I'm not the chanceller either. The chancellor may be affected by political bias but he or she will consider the broader picture before reaching conclusions. I try to do the same. It makes for interesting conversation, on a discussion forum, when others try to do the same.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 18:49:03 GMT
I'm not your man for any discussion ... I'm either "a bit thick" or "a simple thinker".
Mind you I'm happy and can tell you fine stories about what we've eaten in Stratford and what the weather's been like 😊
Rog
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 18:50:42 GMT
I am looking for some sort of paper product to help light the fire.
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