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Post by fi on Mar 27, 2024 12:55:39 GMT
Addiction might not be recognised by you as anything more than a weak will. Those who know about these things though recognise that personalities exist which are highly likely to be addicted to a particular, or several activities. It could be drink, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, exercise, sex. Or many other things. Health has moved on from demonising everyone who isn't 'normal'. You know, normal people being those who can have a drink or two and not bother if they don't have another one for a week. Like you, perhaps. It's unlikely that these people have 'strong wills' so are able to resist temptations which others cannot. It's more likely that 'normal' people simply don't have the urges that result from more addictive personalities. All this of course has been discussed in far greater depth than this, by people who have spent their working lives researching and considering such things. Suffice to say, your assertion that a proven aide to stopping a dangerous addiction isn't a health benefit is highly ignorant. Not the same as quitting though is it. What about kids being attracted to cherry and rhubarb vapes, or whatever. Brightly coloured, marketed at kids with fruit flavours, then there's the disposal to consider, what happens to the lipo4 pouches etc. Kids hate rhubarb...! that flavour is marketed at the geriatric blokes whose wives are no longer able to rustle up a decent crumble....
If those are the concerns then legislate to stop brightly coloured fruit flavours. And ban single use vapes. No need to put extra tax on the whole shebang.
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Post by Jim on Mar 27, 2024 12:57:43 GMT
Not the same as quitting though is it. What about kids being attracted to cherry and rhubarb vapes, or whatever. Brightly coloured, marketed at kids with fruit flavours, then there's the disposal to consider, what happens to the lipo4 pouches etc. Kids hate rhubarb...! that flavour is marketed at the geriatric blokes whose wives are no longer able to rustle up a decent crumble....
If those are the concerns then legislate to stop brightly coloured fruit flavours. And ban single use vapes. No need to put extra tax on the whole shebang.
why not? Only addicts would disagree😉 |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 13:01:43 GMT
Addiction might not be recognised by you as anything more than a weak will. Those who know about these things though recognise that personalities exist which are highly likely to be addicted to a particular, or several activities. It could be drink, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, exercise, sex. Or many other things. Health has moved on from demonising everyone who isn't 'normal'. You know, normal people being those who can have a drink or two and not bother if they don't have another one for a week. Like you, perhaps. It's unlikely that these people have 'strong wills' so are able to resist temptations which others cannot. It's more likely that 'normal' people simply don't have the urges that result from more addictive personalities. All this of course has been discussed in far greater depth than this, by people who have spent their working lives researching and considering such things. Suffice to say, your assertion that a proven aide to stopping a dangerous addiction isn't a health benefit is highly ignorant. Not the same as quitting though is it. What about kids being attracted to cherry and rhubarb vapes, or whatever. Brightly coloured, marketed at kids with fruit flavours, then there's the disposal to consider, what happens to the lipo4 pouches etc. The other food worthy of taxation is UPF, ultra processed food, if only to pay for the higher health bills incurred by the scoffers in later years, then there's the wear and tear incurred by the extra weight on our infrastructure. Government already proposes to ban disposable vapes. It could regulate on flavours. There was talk of this, not sure if it's going ahead. There could be restrictions on packaging, as with cigarettes. Lots of things, rather than making a product which is undoubtedly life saving for significant numbers of people less attractive, by way of taxing it. |
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Post by fi on Mar 27, 2024 13:03:12 GMT
Kids hate rhubarb...! that flavour is marketed at the geriatric blokes whose wives are no longer able to rustle up a decent crumble....
If those are the concerns then legislate to stop brightly coloured fruit flavours. And ban single use vapes. No need to put extra tax on the whole shebang.
why not? Only addicts would disagree😉 Feck it, I'll go back to the fags then. |
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 13:23:57 GMT
I tried smoking other people's cigarettes but the idea burned out after a while.
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Post by fi on Mar 27, 2024 13:34:18 GMT
Vapes were taxed in the same way as coffee and cake are. Why tax vapes more? Just because they are optional... Just remembered, cakes are free from vat. That is a disgrace no wonder we have an obesity crisis.
This is vat free......
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 13:47:59 GMT
Consider the proliferation of kebab shops, pizza takeaways etc. over the past 30 or so years. And then, the rise in obseity over the same period. It's unlikely that there's no relationship between these two things. Kebabs and pizzas don't offer anyone the chance of better health, unlike nicotine addicts switching from cigarettes to vapes. There's a lot of rubbish that originates from pizza and kebab takeaways. Streets are often strewn with the stuff every weekend morning. Thrown away disposable vapes may result in a rubbish problem but the streets aren't strewn with them. Unlike pizza boxes.
Bang a big tax on takeaway food.
I'm sure Dogless would be fine with this. If people don't want to pay this they can simply stop eating takeaways. Sorted.
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 13:50:15 GMT
I read it as 'taxing life savers' and that people with life savings were going to be clobbered by HM.gov.
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Post by ianali on Mar 27, 2024 13:55:16 GMT
But vaping isn't a health benefit just least worst choice than cigarettes. Alcohol has minor positive affects (thinning blood for example) but that doesn't make it good. Rog Addiction might not be recognised by you as anything more than a weak will. Those who know about these things though recognise that personalities exist which are highly likely to be addicted to a particular, or several activities. It could be drink, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, exercise, sex. Or many other things. Health has moved on from demonising everyone who isn't 'normal'. You know, normal people being those who can have a drink or two and not bother if they don't have another one for a week. Like you, perhaps. It's unlikely that these people have 'strong wills' so are able to resist temptations which others cannot. It's more likely that 'normal' people simply don't have the urges that result from more addictive personalities. All this of course has been discussed in far greater depth than this, by people who have spent their working lives researching and considering such things. Suffice to say, your assertion that a proven aide to stopping a dangerous addiction isn't a health benefit is highly ignorant. You missed argumentative from your list of addictions. |
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 13:58:06 GMT
I have since noticed it is 'life safers' not 'life savers'
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 13:58:33 GMT
So are vapes classes as life safers?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 14:03:04 GMT
I read it as 'taxing life savers' and that people with life savings were going to be clobbered by HM.gov. Only under the next government. And then, only those who haven't made sensible Labour proofing changes. I think I'll be on the hook though. I suspect that Labour will end the tax free status of forestry. The dividends I receive will reduce because of tax. The increased value of my units will be subject to capital gains tax. Inevitably, this will make forestry funds less attractive and therefore, of lower value. Perhaps I should expect 15 years notice of this. And then, in case I've forgotten, were in prison or for some other reason claimed not to be aware of the change I should expect the government to write to me as an individual, detailing these changes. Not just a year or two before the change, that would be insufficient time. After all, this is part of my retirement fund. I need to plan. Failing all of this, perhaps a protest group could be formed insisting that, despite everything being done completely in line with the law, other tax payers should pool together, and compensate me to the amount I've lost, had these changes not happened. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 27, 2024 14:03:50 GMT
Addiction might not be recognised by you as anything more than a weak will. Those who know about these things though recognise that personalities exist which are highly likely to be addicted to a particular, or several activities. It could be drink, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, exercise, sex. Or many other things. Health has moved on from demonising everyone who isn't 'normal'. You know, normal people being those who can have a drink or two and not bother if they don't have another one for a week. Like you, perhaps. It's unlikely that these people have 'strong wills' so are able to resist temptations which others cannot. It's more likely that 'normal' people simply don't have the urges that result from more addictive personalities. All this of course has been discussed in far greater depth than this, by people who have spent their working lives researching and considering such things. Suffice to say, your assertion that a proven aide to stopping a dangerous addiction isn't a health benefit is highly ignorant. You missed argumentative from your list of addictions. That's included within 'many other things' |
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 14:04:20 GMT
So are vapes classes as life safers? By some people it seems. I think medical professionals involved in the field prefer “harm minimalisation,” as a way forward for addicts. |
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Post by fi on Mar 27, 2024 14:06:14 GMT
So are vapes classes as life safers? No vapes are classed as a thing to be loaded with extra tax and a menace to children and adults and the environment and animals and insects and wasps (wasps are not classed as insects they are classed as evil stngy things by any right minded person who wants to enjoy a pint without being bothered by things they don't like). |
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