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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 14:10:43 GMT
What happens if you want to vote Green. A choice do I walk 4 miles to the polling station and waste a bit of paper or ask the powers that be to send me a bit of paper so wasting a bit of paper and an envelope. It's like;) Perhaps, if all those like you actually bothered to vote, the Greens would start to grow as a party? They will look at the total votes cast nationwide.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 15:31:43 GMT
The effort that has gone into collating that post....... and for what? Respect, notwithstanding Rog What on earth are you on about? What effort exactly? I simply stuck CBA into the search box top left and in about 1 second the results popped up. thunderboat.boards.net/searchWhat a very rude man you are at times. Rog
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Post by faffer on Jun 8, 2017 15:36:48 GMT
It would be more of a democracy if the turnout was 100%. If you can't be arsed to walk to the polling station, you could get a postal vote. But then you will have to persuade someone to lug the envelope to the post box for you! If all the under 25s voted, Labour would get in. When the Tories win, I will blame the young, who, incidentally, have the most to lose, for being so apathetic that they didn't vote. Grrrrrrrrr. again as i think you answering to my question as you did not quote anything. why put an unmarked paper in the voting box when that is the same as not going to a voting station. imay be missing a point as the unmarked paper may mean.............god knows what. please explain if an unmarked paper or spoiled paper means anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 15:44:29 GMT
I believe kelper may be under the impression that if people were obliged to fill in a paper then when it actually came to it most people would vote for someone rather than nothing at all.
I don't know if this would happen but as far as I know this is the argument behind compulsory voting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 15:48:37 GMT
I'm sorry if I'm not clear. If you vote but spoil your paper, the vote is counted. It is recorded as a spoilt ballot but it is included in the turnout and makes the election result more valid. If Labour get 40% of the vote on a turnout of 60% it means that only 24% of the country voted for them as this delegitimises their vote. At least if the turnout is closer to 90% the result is more valid. I think that if people are forced to turn out they will be more likely to actually cast a vote. This will benefit democracy.
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Post by kris on Jun 8, 2017 15:54:21 GMT
I'm sorry if I'm not clear. If you vote but spoil your paper, the vote is counted. It is recorded as a spoilt ballot but it is included in the turnout and makes the election result more valid. If Labour get 40% of the vote on a turnout of 60% it means that only 24% of the country voted for them as this delegitimises their vote. At least if the turnout is closer to 90% the result is more valid. I think that if people are forced to turn out they will be more likely to actually cast a vote. This will benefit democracy. do you not see the contradiction in what your preposing?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 15:57:37 GMT
No. Do enlighten me. If I saw the contradiction I wouldn't have posted it. Isn't that obvious to YOU
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Post by kris on Jun 8, 2017 16:04:26 GMT
No. Do enlighten me. If I saw the contradiction I wouldn't have posted it. Isn't that obvious to YOU Being compelled to do something by the force of law in the name of furthering democracy is contradictory.
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Post by patty on Jun 8, 2017 16:12:43 GMT
This is getting tad complicated...compelling to vote isn't that taking away freedom of choice?.. If people don't wanna vote..who really cares..cos if they were compelled to vote and randomly ticked any bod that could mean some dodgy characters elected...oh wait....ah well no change really. I voted this time because had postal vote..so much easier...post box up road sprouting out from the knotweed plantation..job done...and thats how I'll vote in future. Before postal ...the thought of going to voting station meant I really couldn't be bothered.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 16:24:47 GMT
What on earth are you on about? What effort exactly? I simply stuck CBA into the search box top left and in about 1 second the results popped up. thunderboat.boards.net/searchWhat a very rude man you are at times. Rog You made an assumption, and you were wrong. I call that rude when it's not followed up with an apology, Rog.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 16:32:32 GMT
No. Do enlighten me. If I saw the contradiction I wouldn't have posted it. Isn't that obvious to YOU Being compelled to do something by the force of law in the name of furthering democracy is contradictory. I can only assume that you don't understand what the word 'democracy' actually means. en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/democracyI do not wish to have a quarrel with you but am very happy to have an argument.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 8, 2017 16:34:48 GMT
Being compelled to do something by the force of law in the name of furthering democracy is contradictory. I can only assume that you don't understand what the word 'democracy' actually means. en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/democracyI do not wish to have a quarrel with you but am very happy to have an argument. From your posts, I can only assume you don't understand the difference between a democracy and a parliamentary democracy.
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Post by kris on Jun 8, 2017 16:37:06 GMT
Being compelled to do something by the force of law in the name of furthering democracy is contradictory. I can only assume that you don't understand what the word 'democracy' actually means. en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/democracyI do not wish to have a quarrel with you but am very happy to have an argument. and how does that make it okay to force people to vote?
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Post by faffer on Jun 8, 2017 16:41:09 GMT
I'm sorry if I'm not clear. If you vote but spoil your paper, the vote is counted. It is recorded as a spoilt ballot but it is included in the turnout and makes the election result more valid. If Labour get 40% of the vote on a turnout of 60% it means that only 24% of the country voted for them as this delegitimises their vote. At least if the turnout is closer to 90% the result is more valid. I think that if people are forced to turn out they will be more likely to actually cast a vote. This will benefit democracy. that is a little clearer but i still do not get the point as a non marked or spoilt paper is a false vote if counted towards the marked votes given. You actually need to mark the vote to count. otherwise you havnt voted . what dose it matter if folk turn up or not if they dont vote, they sort of now who is in the country and how many have voted so then they know who hasnt voted so count them folk that have not turned out as spoilt or non marked votes. i am lost even more now can you tell lol. only bit i get is that if you vote then fair dinkum, if you spoil or dont mark or dont even turn up to vote that is all the same. no dodgy counts if you spoil or leave it blank, that does not count end of.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 16:44:06 GMT
and how does that make it okay to force people to vote? I don't want to force people to vote. I want the lazy bastards to post a vote or go to the polling station. They are then free to throw away a right that people have fought for.
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