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Post by Delta9 on Jun 9, 2017 9:39:05 GMT
Why not? Out of interest. I thought Brexit was one of the reasons you set up this forum? Because I didn't support holding a referendum. Especially one on a subject that the voters were not knowledgeable about.
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 9, 2017 9:39:54 GMT
Brexit had nothing to do with setting up this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 9:41:44 GMT
kris , I have read through the entire topic and I feel that I have answered all your questions. I have explained my position several times. Please tell me what it is that you need from me. And please ask open questions. Surely the whole point of living in a democracy is that people can exercise their right to do just about anything as long as it's legal? That includes exercising their right NOT to vote if they so wish. I personally don't agree with not exercising a right in this country that many people in other countries just don't have but I have to respect their right not to do it if that is their decision. It's really that simple. My personal choice would be to 'spoil' the ballot paper with a message about why I wasn't actually voting if I was so inclined. If everybody who felt disenfranchised or simply couldn't be bothered did that then a message might just seep through.
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2017 9:49:58 GMT
kris , I have read through the entire topic and I feel that I have answered all your questions. I have explained my position several times. Please tell me what it is that you need from me. And please ask open questions. no your alright, the Sun is shinning here today so I've got much more interesting things to do thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 10:02:29 GMT
Why not? Out of interest. I thought Brexit was one of the reasons you set up this forum? Because I didn't support holding a referendum. Especially one on a subject that the voters were not knowledgeable about. Well I agree with you on that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 10:08:32 GMT
Maybe Brexit was all part of a Tory plan to screw Labour. Oops that didn't work too well (giggle)
Completely ridiculous to hold a plebiscite on such an important topic - surely that's what governments are there for ??
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 9, 2017 10:29:47 GMT
Maybe Brexit was all part of a Tory plan to screw Labour. Oops that didn't work too well (giggle) Completely ridiculous to hold a plebiscite on such an important topic - surely that's what governments are there for ?? They shirked the responsibility. Half-arsed snout in trough wassocks innit?
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 9, 2017 10:32:06 GMT
kris , I have read through the entire topic and I feel that I have answered all your questions. I have explained my position several times. Please tell me what it is that you need from me. And please ask open questions. Surely the whole point of living in a democracy is that people can exercise their right to do just about anything as long as it's legal? That includes exercising their right NOT to vote if they so wish. I personally don't agree with not exercising a right in this country that many people in other countries just don't have but I have to respect their right not to do it if that is their decision. It's really that simple. My personal choice would be to 'spoil' the ballot paper with a message about why I wasn't actually voting if I was so inclined. If everybody who felt disenfranchised or simply couldn't be bothered did that then a message might just seep through. They gleefully ignore what's written and it actually does the opposite of what you suggest - it counts as approving of the system in general.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 11:26:08 GMT
Well, if you respect 'the will of the people' you ought to accept the democratic process we have today. It has evolved based on what the majority want. Attempts to change to proportional representation have never been popular.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 15:02:56 GMT
Surely the whole point of living in a democracy is that people can exercise their right to do just about anything as long as it's legal? That includes exercising their right NOT to vote if they so wish. I personally don't agree with not exercising a right in this country that many people in other countries just don't have but I have to respect their right not to do it if that is their decision. It's really that simple. My personal choice would be to 'spoil' the ballot paper with a message about why I wasn't actually voting if I was so inclined. If everybody who felt disenfranchised or simply couldn't be bothered did that then a message might just seep through. They gleefully ignore what's written and it actually does the opposite of what you suggest - it counts as approving of the system in general. How exactly does it do that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 16:40:02 GMT
I don't like paying income tax, but when I decided to withhold my consent it didn't work out in my favour!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 16:46:49 GMT
I don't like paying income tax, but when I decided to withhold my consent it didn't work out in my favour! Are you not conflating political decisions with law decisions.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 9, 2017 17:03:36 GMT
Why not? Out of interest. I thought Brexit was one of the reasons you set up this forum? Because I didn't support holding a referendum. Especially one on a subject that the voters were not knowledgeable about. To be honest Delta, I think that's a rather snooty and patronising comment. I can see with my own eyes the deterioration in my living standards caused by the 2004 and 2007 eu expansions and I don't want any more of it. It's nothing to do with being unknowledeable and if you are suggesting that the governing class knows what's best for me, and that I should just tug my forelock and know my place, then I'm afraid I don't agree with you.
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Post by patty on Jun 9, 2017 17:15:39 GMT
I don't see Delta suggesting that we tug our forelocks to governing class ...It could be the lack of concise info ref Brexit he's referring to..well for me anyway I didn't feel we were informed truthfully about the ins n outs of Brexit.. .I think that became quite apparent post result that so many porkies told..I didn't vote in Brexit
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Post by tonyqj on Jun 9, 2017 18:17:27 GMT
I don't like paying income tax, but when I decided to withhold my consent it didn't work out in my favour! Dear Mr Kepler, I am writing to you to express our thanks for your more-than-prompt reply to our latest communication, and also to answer some of the points you raise. I will address them, as ever, in order. Firstly, I must take issue with your description of our last as a "begging letter". It might perhaps more properly be referred to as a "tax demand". This is how we, at HMRC, have always, for reasons of accuracy, traditionally referred to such documents. Secondly, your frustration at our adding to the "endless stream of crapulent whining and panhandling vomited daily through the letterbox on to the doormat" has been noted. However, whilst I have naturally not seen the other letters to which you refer, I would cautiously suggest that their being from "pauper councils, Lombardy pirate banking houses and pissant gas-mongerers" might indicate that your decision to "file them next to the toilet in case of emergencies" is at best a little ill-advised. In common with my own organisation, it is unlikely that the senders of these letters do see you as a "lackwit bumpkin" or, come to that, a "sodding charity". More likely they see you as a citizen of Great Britain, with a responsibility to contribute to the upkeep of the nation as a whole. Which brings me to my next point. Whilst there may be some spirit of truth in your assertion that the taxes you pay "go to shore up the canker-blighted, toppling folly that is the Public Services", a moment's rudimentary calculation ought to disabuse you of the notion that the government in any way expects you to "stump up for the whole damned party" yourself. The estimates you provide for the Chancellor's disbursement of the funds levied by taxation, whilst colourful, are, in fairness, a little off the mark. Less than you seem to imagine is spent on "junkets for Bunterish lickspittles" and "dancing whores", whilst far more than you have accounted for is allocated to, for example, "that box-ticking facade of a university system". A couple of technical points arising from direct queries: 1. The reason we don't simply write "Muggins" on the envelope has to do with the vagaries of the postal system; 2. You can rest assured that "sucking the very marrows of those with nothing else to give" has never been considered as a practice because even if the Personal Allowance didn't render it irrelevant, the sheer medical logistics involved would make it financially unviable. I trust this has helped. In the meantime, whilst I would not in any way wish to influence your decision one way or the other, I ought to point out that even if you did choose to "give the whole foul jamboree up and go and live in India" you would still owe us the money. Please forward it by Friday. Yours sincerely, H J Lee, Customer Relations.
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