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Post by JohnV on Dec 7, 2017 7:20:09 GMT
So how is all the lithium required for the batteries going to come out of the ground? Which countries will produce/supply that lead? Countries with adequate safety standards for their miners? Lithium mined in the conventional sense, is mainly in the USA, Canada and China but the most economical way of getting it is to extract it from brine lakes and salt deposits of dried up seas (Chile and Peru) Sodium can be produced by electrolysis of seawater
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 8:09:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 8:25:17 GMT
The oil industry isn't exactly squeaky clean is it.
the obvious solution is to attempt to reduce peoples usage of wheeled vehicles in the first place. But that won't happen because the car is such a great way to enslave the masses and channel more of their cash to the capitalists.
Buy More Shit Or We're All Fucked !
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Post by peterboat on Dec 7, 2017 8:52:42 GMT
actually it would seem that for the most its gadgets that require it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 9:08:33 GMT
People buy more things when they go by car.
Yes currently electronic gadgets are a problem but if the idea is to replace all the cars with electric that's going to create massive demand.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 7, 2017 12:54:48 GMT
People buy more things when they go by car. Yes currently electronic gadgets are a problem but if the idea is to replace all the cars with electric that's going to create massive demand. Home delivery is taking over which is better still. Consumers only leaving home go to work is the future. Virtual pretty well everything else will keep us amused as virtual stuff only has to be created once then sold millions of times.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 13:16:00 GMT
People buy more things when they go by car. Yes currently electronic gadgets are a problem but if the idea is to replace all the cars with electric that's going to create massive demand. Home delivery is taking over which is better still. Consumers only leaving home go to work is the future. Virtual pretty well everything else will keep us amused as virtual stuff only has to be created once then sold millions of times. ...and once drones deliver our stuff, we won't need delivery workers. Not sure if they can lift a fridge yet but we won't need one once we reach the stage our brains are in a vat with wires attached. Or are we already there now?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 13:20:59 GMT
Drones will never deliver products on a large scale. It was an advertising scam by amazon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 13:24:21 GMT
Drones will never deliver products on a large scale. It was an advertising scam by amazon. Never say never! I always found the name Amazon a strange choice really. What are they doing to help the rain forest?
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Post by thebfg on Dec 7, 2017 13:40:34 GMT
Drones will never deliver products on a large scale. It was an advertising scam by amazon. Never say never! I always found the name Amazon a strange choice really. What are they doing to help the rain forest? I suspect they do their bit to help chop the trees down π
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 21:11:59 GMT
Batteries.. batteries are rubbish in everything. Think of all the things youβve got at the moment that are battery powered β like torches and mobile phones and digital cameras and laptops. I bet you, theyβre all either completely flat or going flat very quickly.β James May 2011, Nissan leaf Top Gear. The turncoat has got one of these, all be it with an onboard 600cc petrol driven generator.. www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/i3/66751/bmw-i3-94ah-range-extender-2016-review0-62mph dash is respectable at a smidge over 8 seconds though. My dark ages fossil fuel powered motor is also showing signs of battery issues. We are well into the short journeys in the dark with the heating on cycle, not failed to start yet but, curiosity got the better of me following a bit of a slow wind over having sat all weekend in the cold and snow. 6 years, 55K and a 570 CCA battery is now down to 350 CCA so says the clever Sealey battery analyser, it's verdict? Good and recharge. So, for the first time in ages the national grid is topping up the electric powered starting handle's battery. I'm guessing a new battery will be needed before the winter is out, or at least a weekly infusion of juice from the mains. Plug in hybrid? stick it in your 13a socket
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Post by peterboat on Dec 12, 2017 22:34:40 GMT
I was reading today that some clever person has sorted the problem of Lithium ion batteries catching fire and also the range issue, they reckon it will triple the range of the current batteries!! Also Lithium has been found in good quantities in Zimbabwe so maybe the the CI engines have just lost a few more years of life. For myself I cant see them surviving another ten years in car form
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 22:53:35 GMT
I was reading today that some clever person has sorted the problem of Lithium ion batteries catching fire and also the range issue, they reckon it will triple the range of the current batteries!! Also Lithium has been found in good quantities in Zimbabwe so maybe the the CI engines have just lost a few more years of life. For myself I cant see them surviving another ten years in car form Fingers crossed SI has a bit longer in it. I'm not adverse to the idea of hybrid tech like the 918, P1 or La Ferrari. In a fairly sensible roaf car My ideal would be a powerful small front wheel drive 4 pot turbocharged petrol (say 1.2l 180 odd bhp) with a proper LSD backed up with hybrid electric motors on the rear axle, instant four-wheel drive, option of short range low speed electric traction coupled with the flexibility and practicality of range extending by tipping juicd in at a whim. Motorway cruising would be taken care of by the electric motors along with battery charge replenishment being provided by the SI engine with active cylinder technology - after all, if the I3 only needs 600cc to top it up, 600cc from a now effectively twin cylinder engine should be good enough! Couple that with ERS technology and a lot of power or economy can be had. Things like the Mitsubishi PHEV can piss off.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 13, 2017 9:18:39 GMT
I was reading today that some clever person has sorted the problem of Lithium ion batteries catching fire and also the range issue, they reckon it will triple the range of the current batteries!! Also Lithium has been found in good quantities in Zimbabwe so maybe the the CI engines have just lost a few more years of life. For myself I cant see them surviving another ten years in car form Fingers crossed SI has a bit longer in it. I'm not adverse to the idea of hybrid tech like the 918, P1 or La Ferrari. In a fairly sensible roaf car My ideal would be a powerful small front wheel drive 4 pot turbocharged petrol (say 1.2l 180 odd bhp) with a proper LSD backed up with hybrid electric motors on the rear axle, instant four-wheel drive, option of short range low speed electric traction coupled with the flexibility and practicality of range extending by tipping juicd in at a whim. Motorway cruising would be taken care of by the electric motors along with battery charge replenishment being provided by the SI engine with active cylinder technology - after all, if the I3 only needs 600cc to top it up, 600cc from a now effectively twin cylinder engine should be good enough! Couple that with ERS technology and a lot of power or economy can be had. Things like the Mitsubishi PHEV can piss off. I think all electric is the way forward really fast cars are now all electric the Rimac is a a good example and the new Tesla roadster another couple them to the new batteries and you for me have the perfik car. Why bother with all that crap petrol stiff weighing you down and slowing you up?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 9:31:59 GMT
Fingers crossed SI has a bit longer in it. I'm not adverse to the idea of hybrid tech like the 918, P1 or La Ferrari. In a fairly sensible roaf car My ideal would be a powerful small front wheel drive 4 pot turbocharged petrol (say 1.2l 180 odd bhp) with a proper LSD backed up with hybrid electric motors on the rear axle, instant four-wheel drive, option of short range low speed electric traction coupled with the flexibility and practicality of range extending by tipping juicd in at a whim. Motorway cruising would be taken care of by the electric motors along with battery charge replenishment being provided by the SI engine with active cylinder technology - after all, if the I3 only needs 600cc to top it up, 600cc from a now effectively twin cylinder engine should be good enough! Couple that with ERS technology and a lot of power or economy can be had. Things like the Mitsubishi PHEV can piss off. I think all electric is the way forward really fast cars are now all electric the Rimac is a a good example and the new Tesla roadster another couple them to the new batteries and you for me have the perfik car. Why bother with all that crap petrol stiff weighing you down and slowing you up? You could hardly call a P1 a 918 or La Ferrari slow! Besides, im talking about real word performance, not hypercar stuff, a Leaf or a Zoe is hardly what you call inspiring for the enthusiastic driver The main point is electric still falls short (and probably always will) of flexibility, massive strides have got to be made to have them fit in with the turn the key and go as far as like as often as you like that a fossil fuel powered car gives. And that is before you consider the points Foxy has made about extra demands on the grid. The other thing no one has ever mentioned is how do you heat them? what happens when you are stuck in a gridlocked freezing cold motorway because there are a few flakes of snow? and the battery meter is heading south. carrying a spare gallon of fuel is easy, carrying spare coulombs less so.
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