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Post by peterboat on Dec 13, 2017 9:56:18 GMT
I think the future is induction from the roads we drive on so the government charges us for our usage. Also lots of people get caught in the snow with no fuel same scenario
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 10:03:16 GMT
I think the future is induction from the roads we drive on so the government charges us for our usage. Also lots of people get caught in the snow with no fuel same scenario That sounds a nightmare! I know people get caught with no fuel. They are generally stupid as it's easy to carry spare fuel, hence my comment about it not being so easy to carry spare electricity.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 13, 2017 10:03:21 GMT
I wonder how much fuel a typical car uses just ticking over with the heater fan on?
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Post by peterboat on Dec 13, 2017 10:29:23 GMT
I think the future is induction from the roads we drive on so the government charges us for our usage. Also lots of people get caught in the snow with no fuel same scenario That sounds a nightmare! I know people get caught with no fuel. They are generally stupid as it's easy to carry spare fuel, hence my comment about it not being so easy to carry spare electricity. It may be your nightmare but its an easy do means range isnt a problem, battery pack for 100 miles car drives itself etc etc it is the future and it will be along shortly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 10:34:17 GMT
That sounds a nightmare! I know people get caught with no fuel. They are generally stupid as it's easy to carry spare fuel, hence my comment about it not being so easy to carry spare electricity. It may be your nightmare but its an easy do means range isnt a problem, battery pack for 100 miles car drives itself etc etc it is the future and it will be along shortly It will be many people's nightmare, particularly those involved in motorsport. Look at FE, it's now a platform for manufacturers to develop and showcase electric vehicles, it's dull as arseholes to watch though. God only knows the impact on two wheels, I hadn't even thought about that. The TT ZERO is impressive in one lap isolation, electric trials bikes are OK for knobbing about on but outside if those two very niche areas they will be as fun, practical and exciting as watching paint dry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 10:49:50 GMT
I think the ideal arrangement would be to have battery replacement stations rather than charging stations. You drive into the motorway services and pay to rent a battery for a particular range. This is added to your own battery. That way range would be unlimited and the hire batteries would always be fully charged at the replacement station. Like buying fuel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 10:59:34 GMT
I think the ideal arrangement would be to have battery replacement stations rather than charging stations. You drive into the motorway services and pay to rent a battery for a particular range. This is added to your own battery. That way range would be unlimited and the hire batteries would always be fully charged at the replacement station. Like buying fuel. Imagine the space that would take! I wonder how many vehicles an average supermarket filling station sees in a day. It would also require manufacturers to agree on a standard battery configration, whats the lchance of that? Bloody mobile phones took long enough to agree on one connector and Apple still stick their fingers up! There is then the safe removal, handling and charging off each battery pack to be considered. I could go on but i better do some work!
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Post by peterboat on Dec 13, 2017 13:20:57 GMT
I think the ideal arrangement would be to have battery replacement stations rather than charging stations. You drive into the motorway services and pay to rent a battery for a particular range. This is added to your own battery. That way range would be unlimited and the hire batteries would always be fully charged at the replacement station. Like buying fuel. Why? Even now 80% charging can be done in 30 mins its pointless and expensive to hire battery packs. My mate has a Tesla he charges it at work drives to the top side of London has a coffee whilst its charging drives into London does business and drives back to Sheffield Twice a week. Tesla fast chargers are free of charge for him, he drives all over the country without worry and as yet hasnt been caught out. What has to happen and it already is, the governments of the world will use big sticks to beat us out of our IC cars, the days of driving without a care in the world are gone, pollution is the thing that will end the world and cars etc are a big cause of it. Us oldies have had our fun and the kids unless things change will have to pay for it
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Post by peterboat on Dec 13, 2017 13:28:05 GMT
It may be your nightmare but its an easy do means range isnt a problem, battery pack for 100 miles car drives itself etc etc it is the future and it will be along shortly It will be many people's nightmare, particularly those involved in motorsport. Look at FE, it's now a platform for manufacturers to develop and showcase electric vehicles, it's dull as arseholes to watch though. God only knows the impact on two wheels, I hadn't even thought about that. The TT ZERO is impressive in one lap isolation, electric trials bikes are OK for knobbing about on but outside if those two very niche areas they will be as fun, practical and exciting as watching paint dry. Being brutally honest does motor sport really matter? not to me and millions of others, I think F1 is like watching paint dry no interest to me at all, I have on my wall a signed photo of Stirling Moss winning the 1961 Monaco Grand Prix he now drives around in an electric Twizy, things change that matter to us and racing isnt one that matters to me anymore
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 13:35:41 GMT
It will be many people's nightmare, particularly those involved in motorsport. Look at FE, it's now a platform for manufacturers to develop and showcase electric vehicles, it's dull as arseholes to watch though. God only knows the impact on two wheels, I hadn't even thought about that. The TT ZERO is impressive in one lap isolation, electric trials bikes are OK for knobbing about on but outside if those two very niche areas they will be as fun, practical and exciting as watching paint dry. Being brutally honest does motor sport really matter? not to me and millions of others, I think F1 is like watching paint dry no interest to me at all, I have on my wall a signed photo of Stirling Moss winning the 1961 Monaco Grand Prix he now drives around in an electric Twizy, things change that matter to us and racing isnt one that matters to me anymore It's no just high level sport, I'm talking about grass roots participated sport both two and four wheel:- Motocross, Enduro,Hill climbs, Rallying (Road,Tarmac and Forestry) Trials - including historic reliability trials like the MCC Exeter, lands end and Edinburgh and many many more. It may not matter to you, but it will to the thousands that do compete and the hundreds of businesses that rely on Motorsport for their living will certainly take a different view!
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Post by bargemast on Dec 13, 2017 13:51:41 GMT
The batteries for electric vehicles are terribly dangerous and the stuff to produce them may run out within not all that long, or there may be something political happening in Afrika where they mine this stuff. Some interesting reading here ; newatlas.com/obi-electric-cars/47489/Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 14:04:44 GMT
I think the ideal arrangement would be to have battery replacement stations rather than charging stations. You drive into the motorway services and pay to rent a battery for a particular range. This is added to your own battery. That way range would be unlimited and the hire batteries would always be fully charged at the replacement station. Like buying fuel. Why? Even now 80% charging can be done in 30 mins its pointless and expensive to hire battery packs. My mate has a Tesla he charges it at work drives to the top side of London has a coffee whilst its charging drives into London does business and drives back to Sheffield Twice a week. Tesla fast chargers are free of charge for him, he drives all over the country without worry and as yet hasnt been caught out. What has to happen and it already is, the governments of the world will use big sticksΒ to beat us out of our IC cars, the days of driving without a care in the world are gone, pollution is the thing that will end the world and cars etc are a big cause of it. Us oldies have had our fun and the kids unless things change will have to pay for it I'm not sold on cars being the biggest polluters. The aircraft industry consume rebated fuel in huge quantities and deliver it straight up to the wide blue yonder, draconian sanctions and restrictions a long with massive financial increases are not being imposed on air travel. Likewise shipping, it may be the most cost effective way to shift goods around the globe, it's certainly not the most environmentally friendly, but, while ever people want crap they don't need at rock bottom price from the far east the shipping companies will be largely left alone.
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 13, 2017 14:41:39 GMT
A quick google suggests in 2012 aviation accounted for 12% of transport fuel used, diesel 37% and motor gasoline 40%.
However that's a lot of flying when you consider just how many land/water based vehicles there are in the world?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 14:54:13 GMT
A quick google suggests in 2012 aviation accounted for 12% of transport fuel used, diesel 37% and motor gasoline 40%. However that's a lot of flying when you consider just how many land/water based vehicles there are in the world? There's not many trees at 30000'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:56:43 GMT
The batteries for electric vehicles are terribly dangerous and the stuff to produce them may run out within not all that long, or there may be something political happening in Afrika where they mine this stuff. Some interesting reading here ; newatlas.com/obi-electric-cars/47489/Peter. Good article. I know you shouldn't take quotes in isolation but.... The man from MIT agrees with Foxy ππ As yet, the long-term availability of the raw materials for batteries, and the environmental impacts of their large-scale material extraction and processing, and battery production, have yet to be adequately examined. It is thought that the environmental impacts of producing batteries will be worse than such impacts for producing engines.
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