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Post by JohnV on Nov 10, 2017 8:48:32 GMT
In the first photo, the bridge on the left hand side is the M62 bridge the island is Howden Dyke Island. The bridge to the right is the H o o k / S k e l t o n railway bridge (spaced to stop the name being alterred to Hook/SkMickey)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 10, 2017 9:03:24 GMT
Thank you Gazza and AI. The two pages posted were sufficiently littered with inaccuracies and errors so as to raise doubts over the accuracy and usefulness of the remainder of the publication. The Ouse from Naburn down to the Humber is potentially a very dangerous stretch of water, and especially so for anyone unfamiliar with it. It's bad enough that this river as far down as Goole should be under the control of a navigation/harbour authority as incompetent and useless as C&RT , but to have the dangers compounded by the publication of navigational charts and information as bad as these were is totally unacceptable. Whoever is responsible for publishing them needs to be made aware of their shortcomings. I have the same problem as you Tony, they were visible yesterday, but gone since this morning. Peter EnregistrerThanks, Peter. I'm going to follow up on these two matters of concern as to the accuracy and usefulness of the navigational and passage making information that's available to pleasure craft using the tidal river Ouse. There was an incident back in May 2015 which did result in somewhat better advice and information being given to pleasure craft, but it seems that there is still some scope for yet more improvement. A narrowboat bound for Selby was penned out of Naburn on a big tide plus a good 3 foot of 'fresh', finished up dried out on the sandbank between Boothferry and the M62 Bridge, and was eventually towed into Goole by Humber Rescue. The man with this boat, and whose previous limited experience was confined to canals, was advised at Naburn that he was making passage on 'a big tide' with 'over 3 feet of fresh' adding to the river levels - advice which he later admitted he didn't understand - and then asked by the lock keeper if he wished to proceed ! Having been sent on his way from Naburn too late on the tide, in line with the customary BW/C&RT advice, he arrived at Cawood Bridge being pushed along by an ebb far stronger than anything he had ever experienced previously, totally unaware of just what to do in the circumstances, and unable to contact the bridge keeper on his phone. Due to the big tide and the fresh in river, there was just over 7 foot clearance under the bridge, and the bridge keeper still recalls to this day his fears for the boater's safety whilst watching in horror as the boat was carried under the bridge, completely out of control, and with the steerer coming very close to bashing his brains out on the underside girders of the bridge. Matters went from bad to worse at Selby where the combination of a blustery wind and the strong ebb carried him past the canal lock and down to the new Selby Bypass Bridge, where he managed to stop and get a line round the bridge fendering. He then contacted Selby Lock by phone and was advised to proceed downriver to Barmby Barrage and try to get into the Derwent. Nothing more was heard of him until the bridge keeper at Boothferry reported a boat aground and drying out lowside of the bridge. The incident was reported and posted about on 'Narrowboatworld' and CWDF at :- www.narrowboatworld.com/index.php/news-flash/8158-not-a-pleasurable-days-pleasure-boatingand : canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/75976-narrowboat-stuck-in-the-humber/&page=2
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 10, 2017 10:04:10 GMT
Yeah - some people on here suggested we take our little 40-foot narrowboat from Selby to York and Ripon. We had decided not to, anyway (and there's nothing to see apart from the high banks of a muddied river), but at Selby this July looked over the lock to the River Ouse below going past about 40mph! I know it slows down, stops, and then rushes the other way, but it's a suicidal sort of thing to have a go at. You would be alright going up to York and on to Ripon, Foxy, it's just a matter of going when the river and weather conditions are right and, even more importantly, timing the passage correctly, . . something which is unlikely to happen if you rely on the standard, dubious advice that C&RT dish out to pleasure craft. Timing of the passage between Selby and Naburn with a boat like yours is much less critical with regard to swingbridge manning times in relation to tide times than with something like 'Sabina' with around twice the air-draught. I recall you having said elsewhere that you have what is these days generally regarded as being too small an engine for river work, but in truth you need not find that a problem either. Back in the days when the Ouse was busy with commercial traffic, BOCM at Selby had a large fleet of barges working between Hull and Selby, and Selby and York. They were all just over 100 feet long and were either 17' 6'' and 200 ton carrying capacity or 19' 3'' beam and 250 ton capacity. The 200 tonners displaced the best part of 300 tons fully loaded and had 60 bhp Listers, while the 250 tonners displaced just under 350 tons fully loaded and had 95 bhp Gardners - both would also tow the company's 200 ton dumb boats. I haven't done the arithmetic, but I'll bet if you do a comparison with your boat's power/displacement ratio, then your's will come out well on top.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 10, 2017 10:36:22 GMT
Yeah - some people on here suggested we take our little 40-foot narrowboat from Selby to York and Ripon. We had decided not to, anyway (and there's nothing to see apart from the high banks of a muddied river), but at Selby this July looked over the lock to the River Ouse below going past about 40mph! I know it slows down, stops, and then rushes the other way, but it's a suicidal sort of thing to have a go at. You would be alright going up to York and on to Ripon, Foxy, it's just a matter of going when the river and weather conditions are right and, even more importantly, timing the passage correctly, . . something which is unlikely to happen if you rely on the standard, dubious advice that C&RT dish out to pleasure craft. Timing of the passage between Selby and Naburn with a boat like yours is much less critical with regard to swingbridge manning times in relation to tide times than with something like 'Sabina' with around twice the air-draught. I recall you having said elsewhere that you have what is these days generally regarded as being too small an engine for river work, but in truth you need not find that a problem either. Back in the days when the Ouse was busy with commercial traffic, BOCM at Selby had a large fleet of barges working between Hull and Selby, and Selby and York. They were all just over 100 feet long and were either 17' 6'' and 200 ton carrying capacity or 19' 3'' beam and 250 ton capacity. The 200 tonners displaced the best part of 300 tons fully loaded and had 60 bhp Listers, while the 250 tonners displaced just under 350 tons fully loaded and had 95 bhp Gardners - both would also tow the company's 200 ton dumb boats. I haven't done the arithmetic, but I'll bet if you do a comparison with your boat's power/displacement ratio, then your's will come out well on top. Also many of the (a bit smaller sized) Humber barges, of Sheffield and Lincoln size had as their first engines Lister JP-2 of only 22 Hp. The same is valid for the Dutch barges like the very popular Luxemotor, many of these started life with single (or twin) cylinder glowbulb engines of between 20- and 60 Hp, in many of the surviving ones their owners have installed engines of between 120- and 300 Hp nowadays + often very powerful bowtrusters, and even with all that power they do make cockups, as it's not so much the power (which could be a help of course) but more the skills of the helmsman, to make the vessel arrive in one piece at it's destination. Peter Enregistrer
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Post by cygnus on Nov 17, 2017 9:33:29 GMT
Good morning from Goole. Spot Sabina H ?
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Post by peterboat on Nov 17, 2017 10:25:40 GMT
Nope!
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Post by peterboat on Nov 17, 2017 10:26:32 GMT
But then again I think you are on her
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 10:29:55 GMT
Up by the Narrowboats?
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Post by cygnus on Nov 17, 2017 15:13:50 GMT
Jorvik aground outside Goole Docks today, 17/11.
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Post by cygnus on Nov 17, 2017 15:15:12 GMT
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Post by patty on Nov 17, 2017 15:19:12 GMT
What lovely photographs...thanks for posting...as for Sabrina H nope cannot see her
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 17, 2017 15:30:48 GMT
So where is Sabina in the photo? The Humber barge by the narrowboats (on left quarter) has the same looking front end but the tower looks a bit shabby and the colour a bit off. That looks like Sabina to me, just over one third of the way down from the top edge of the photo, and one quarter of the way across from the lefthand margin, directly in line and behind (in the photo) is 'Battlestone', the barge with the white upperworks over on Dog and Duck.
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Post by cygnus on Nov 17, 2017 16:04:56 GMT
Sabina has 5 windows in a row on the front side of the tower. It is hard to tell. Get that man a better camera! Here's Sabina: photos.app.goo.gl/btXvvXAGCprAtVtF2 Blinking heck I've only got a box brownie.
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Post by cygnus on Nov 17, 2017 16:10:30 GMT
Yes that's what I was thinking. But not sure. Blimey, this is like having CCTV all over the waterways, this site! Spies everywhere! Did I mention I was an operative in MFI, licensed to drill.
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Post by cygnus on Nov 17, 2017 16:17:38 GMT
So where is Sabina in the photo? The Humber barge by the narrowboats (on left quarter) has the same looking front end but the tower looks a bit shabby and the colour a bit off. SHABBY !!! COLOUR ABIT OFF !!! What do you reckon Johnv ?
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