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Post by cygnus on Nov 8, 2017 16:20:44 GMT
I'm out at the moment Tony but will do, when I get back to boat.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 8, 2017 16:32:44 GMT
This is a page in the River Ouse Tidal Section guide. You may well be familiar with this but I'll post it anyway. As far as I'm aware the Bridges on the tidal Ouse are all well marked, and ditto the bank markers are up to scratch as far as Howden Dyke. But I think there are quite a few marks above Howden Dyke that leave a lot to be desired. Perhaps neglect has crept in due to the sparcity of commercial traffic topside of Howden Dyke. There is a lot of bankside overgrowth needing severe cutting back in parts, particularly above Selby. I haven't seen this aerial photo chart before, but having now seen one page of it, I have to say that I'm not at all impressed. 'Sabina' grounded just lowside of the M62 bridge on Monday, . . could you please post the page showing that, I would be very interested to see if the red line on that is anywhere near being correct. From what I could gather over the phone at the time, I think 'Sabina' probably moved over to the southern shore too soon after clearing the bridge, and too far above the first port hand light below it. My ouse chart is different again from the one that we were using I bought it last year so maybe its more up to date or possibly more wrong who knows
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 8, 2017 21:54:17 GMT
The red line marking the deep water channel in this aerial photo stays too close to the northern shore for too long after clearing from under the motorway bridge. Outbound on the ebb the ship's head has to be turned onto, and kept on, that No.8 port hand (red) light as it emerges from under the middle of the navigation span. The deepest water is closer to No.8 than to No.5, and the ness can bare-out to almost halfway across the width of the river from the northern shore at low water when there's next to no 'fresh' coming down. From what John was saying on the phone when 'Sabina' first grounded thereabouts on Monday, I don't think he could see that light through the jungle that C&RT have allowed to grow up round it, but the chart was really of no help either. I hope all the other pages of it are rather less inaccurate and misleading than the two that have been posted on here.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 9, 2017 11:06:20 GMT
Don't know if everyone is getting the same thing, but all the photo images of the duff navigation charts for the Ouse have been deleted.
Has this been a public spirited gesture on the part of whoever publishes them ?
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Post by JohnV on Nov 9, 2017 12:50:29 GMT
i didnt have time to take pictures I was driving and trying to avoid trees that were in the river!! Can you remember what lights were showing on the Howden (upriver) side of the two navigation spans of Hook Bridge, Peter ? Long time replying Tony ....... Feel washed out !!! exhausting trip for a geriatric ..... even if Peter did the heavy work !!! I have been thinking about Hook/SkMickey and as far as I can remember there were three reds in a close row on the eastern abutment, Three ? four ? in a row on the central tower plus one high up on the tower and three on the western abutment . between the central tower and the western abutment on the span itself there was a row of red lights. There were amber illumination lights on both the abutments and central tower illuminating the channels themselves. It did not look like the illustration in the guide, which only shows a single red on each opening abutment and the central tower and single whites on the non navigation abutments. The illumination in the actual openings is good, as you can see the towers clearly. This ensures that the sight of the .... literally.... foaming wake and turbulence round the piers has you thoroughly terrified as you crawl past them with the engine absolutely flat out and the GPS showing less than 2 knots !!! As regards the grounding just below the M62 bridge .... we might have been a trifle downstream for the plot shown in the book (reasonably as we couldn't see the Asseby Lee light) but certainly not by very much. I have been looking at the short film clip I took of the whirlpools and boils around us as we were removing part of the sandbank and creeping down river sideways. I would estimate that we were about half to two thirds of the way across the river slightly downstream from the upstream edge of the North Howden Dyke channel. This would agree with your asessment that the course shown does not cross to the South bank quickly enough. As regard to Hook Ness we were (as far as I can judge) directly on the recommended track aiming for just to the left of the silos. Thank you Tony for all the phone calls and assistance, it was much appreciated and you will get those pints some time
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Post by JohnV on Nov 9, 2017 12:52:27 GMT
Just an addition ...... It was great to meet Patty
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 9, 2017 21:18:19 GMT
Don't know if everyone is getting the same thing, but all the photo images of the duff navigation charts for the Ouse have been deleted. Has this been a public spirited gesture on the part of whoever publishes them ? The photo images of the duff navigation charts for the (Yorkshire) Ouse that appeared to have been deleted this morning are still absent from my laptop screen tonight. Can someone please advise as to whether this is a functional/technical error that may be confined to either my laptop or the TB site itself, or is the removal a deliberate act by the publishers or some other organisation ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 21:25:06 GMT
I can see them on my phone, what the problem is on a computer I have no idea I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 21:26:38 GMT
I can still see them. So likely to be some sort of IT issue.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 9, 2017 22:11:48 GMT
Thank you Gazza and AI.
The two pages posted were sufficiently littered with inaccuracies and errors so as to raise doubts over the accuracy and usefulness of the remainder of the publication. The Ouse from Naburn down to the Humber is potentially a very dangerous stretch of water, and especially so for anyone unfamiliar with it.
It's bad enough that this river as far down as Goole should be under the control of a navigation/harbour authority as incompetent and useless as C&RT , but to have the dangers compounded by the publication of navigational charts and information as bad as these were is totally unacceptable. Whoever is responsible for publishing them needs to be made aware of their shortcomings.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 9, 2017 22:54:00 GMT
Thank you Gazza and AI. The two pages posted were sufficiently littered with inaccuracies and errors so as to raise doubts over the accuracy and usefulness of the remainder of the publication. The Ouse from Naburn down to the Humber is potentially a very dangerous stretch of water, and especially so for anyone unfamiliar with it. It's bad enough that this river as far down as Goole should be under the control of a navigation/harbour authority as incompetent and useless as C&RT , but to have the dangers compounded by the publication of navigational charts and information as bad as these were is totally unacceptable. Whoever is responsible for publishing them needs to be made aware of their shortcomings. I have the same problem as you Tony, they were visible yesterday, but gone since this morning. Peter Enregistrer
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 7:11:00 GMT
A 'forced' refresh on my laptop this morning now results in the pictures being unavailable - no longer existing on Imgur.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 10, 2017 8:27:39 GMT
Here's Goole again from the air. Can you spot the 'Salt and Pepper' water towers?
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 10, 2017 8:37:42 GMT
aerial photograph of Dutch River running alongside the Aire and Calder Navigation Knottingley and Goole Canal
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 10, 2017 8:43:38 GMT
Castleford - there's the crossroads junction: right for Woodlesford and Leeds, up for Stanley Ferry/Wakefield/Huddersfield/Sowerby Bridge, left for the weir and instant death, down for Selby and Goole:
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