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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 11:36:08 GMT
What these vaxxers blatantly fail to appreciate is that large numbers of people dying will be a major advantage for those who don't.
Humans are going to drive themselves to extinction by overpopulation at some point so desperately trying to stop people dying is basically the wrong approach.
What you really want to do, ideally, is remove the non productive and medicine-dependent units from circulation and leave a super-race of intelligent, healthy units with individual thought patterns.
And get the robots to do the work.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 13, 2020 11:47:47 GMT
What these vaxxers blatantly fail to appreciate is that large numbers of people dying will be a major advantage for those who don't. Humans are going to drive themselves to extinction by overpopulation at some point so desperately trying to stop people dying is basically the wrong approach. What you really want to do, ideally, is remove the non productive and medicine-dependent units from circulation and leave a super-race of intelligent, healthy units with individual thought patterns. And get the robots to do the work. Sounds like a plan...
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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 13, 2020 11:57:54 GMT
First, my aversion to having a vaccine inflicted upon me isn't limited to this particular one. My personal 'belief' is that the best way to keep healthy is to lead a healthy lifestyle with regular hard exercise. I said 'belief' because this notion is also supported by science. Yes, the vast majority dying from covid are obese and often suffer from other obesity related conditions. So, the best way to avoid dying from this is to go running in the hills every day rather than sitting on the sofa scoffing crisps and feeling hurt and discriminated against be cause someone described you as fat. As for my belief. Actually, the word doesn't describe things too well. Consider instead your soul, your instincts, your humanity. In your case you're gay, very few people have an issue with that these days. People don't understand why but that's ok, people accept that not everyone is driven in the same way. In my case I have no urge, no instinct to sleep with other men. Instead I'm driven to having a simple life where I protect my mental and physical health by doing what my body was intended for I.e. using it, rather than surviving by having alien chemical concoctions inserted into my body. I'm not an 'antivaxer' I simply do not wish to be injected myself because it goes against my core instincts, my humanity. I should have that right without being abused by the establishment 'antivaxer' every bit as much as you should be able to enjoy your married life without being abused for it. You are of course quite right that exercising to stay fit is a good way to stay healthy, and that being obese is asking for health problems. Including the vulnerability to COVID. But these are only generalisations. Plenty of obese people have survived Covid and plenty of fit middle aged people have succumbed to it badly and even died. So your health regime, whilst giving you a definite statistical advantage, is not a guarantee of immunity to illness. But you are talking about these things as if they were mutually exclusive. You can be fit, exercise lots, not be overweight AND have a vaccine to protect you from a virus. AND be gay, although I not sure what that last one has to do with this topic. You put all sorts of stuff into your body (via your mouth) without you knowing where it came from, whether it has pesticides and other man made chemicals in it, (it probably does) but that doesn’t seem to worry you much. My distaste for the antivaxxers is less about their own choices, but how the vocalisation of their choice affects others. It is like just like a virus spreading through the population, just like religion, and neither of those went well! That you're gay is highly relevant to this conversation. Your instinct to be this way is a minority one but one that, thankfully, is now accepted by the vast majority as being perfectly ok. I on the other hand, when I voice how my own instincts drive me am roundly insulted 'antivaxer'. I'm not an antivaxer, I do not encourage others regarding vaccinations, either way, beyond perhaps encouraging people to think for themselves, rather than slavishly following the message being voiced by the establishment and their associated pressure groups. Fairness and equality should not be limited to those who happen to fit within certain parameters 'tick box equality', the views of all minorities should at least be respected, even if they are not agreed with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:02:16 GMT
You are of course quite right that exercising to stay fit is a good way to stay healthy, and that being obese is asking for health problems. Including the vulnerability to COVID. But these are only generalisations. Plenty of obese people have survived Covid and plenty of fit middle aged people have succumbed to it badly and even died. So your health regime, whilst giving you a definite statistical advantage, is not a guarantee of immunity to illness. But you are talking about these things as if they were mutually exclusive. You can be fit, exercise lots, not be overweight AND have a vaccine to protect you from a virus. AND be gay, although I not sure what that last one has to do with this topic. You put all sorts of stuff into your body (via your mouth) without you knowing where it came from, whether it has pesticides and other man made chemicals in it, (it probably does) but that doesn’t seem to worry you much. My distaste for the antivaxxers is less about their own choices, but how the vocalisation of their choice affects others. It is like just like a virus spreading through the population, just like religion, and neither of those went well! That you're gay is highly relevant to this conversation. Your instinct to be this way is a minority one but one that, thankfully, is now accepted by the vast majority as being perfectly ok. I on the other hand, when I voice how my own instincts drive me am roundly insulted 'antivaxer'. I'm not an antivaxer, I do not encourage others regarding vaccinations, either way, beyond perhaps encouraging people to think for themselves, rather than slavishly following the message being voiced by the establishment and their associated pressure groups. Fairness and equality should not be limited to those who happen to fit within certain parameters 'tick box equality', the views of all minorities should at least be respected, even if they are not agreed with. Twat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:11:20 GMT
But Clinton Cool aren't you in your defence of your position as 'anti the covid vaccine' now grouping those who disagree with your view into a single issue group ? I understand that you are unhappy to have the vaccine ... that's fine ... I feel the same about the flu jab. But we have to accept it is an emotional choice rather than an argument backed by science. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:11:46 GMT
I'm sure they were talking about doing a vaccine without generating profits. Maybe this wasn't seen as a particularly attractive model after all. Insider trading anyone ?
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Post by patty on Nov 13, 2020 12:26:59 GMT
I will have the vaccine when it is available for my age group..I have signed up for the trials..though whether that a good thing I dunno as there is no guarantee you will get the vaccine or the placebo
I have elderly friends who are important to me and its been a year since Ive seen them..Time is not on their side...I'm hoping they will also opt for the vaccine..I believe they will
That said I would still consider available data before having the jab.
One reason for having is to protect me from the stupidity of others who don't follow any guidelines.
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Nov 13, 2020 12:29:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:29:17 GMT
What these vaxxers blatantly fail to appreciate is that large numbers of people dying will be a major advantage for those who don't. Humans are going to drive themselves to extinction by overpopulation at some point so desperately trying to stop people dying is basically the wrong approach. What you really want to do, ideally, is remove the non productive and medicine-dependent units from circulation and leave a super-race of intelligent, healthy units with individual thought patterns. And get the robots to do the work. Sounds like a plan... I should perhaps point out that "productive" is not simply a term related to economics, it also refers to proven ability to generate replacement intelligent healthy units on a 1:1 ratio basis.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 13, 2020 12:33:56 GMT
You are of course quite right that exercising to stay fit is a good way to stay healthy, and that being obese is asking for health problems. Including the vulnerability to COVID. But these are only generalisations. Plenty of obese people have survived Covid and plenty of fit middle aged people have succumbed to it badly and even died. So your health regime, whilst giving you a definite statistical advantage, is not a guarantee of immunity to illness. But you are talking about these things as if they were mutually exclusive. You can be fit, exercise lots, not be overweight AND have a vaccine to protect you from a virus. AND be gay, although I not sure what that last one has to do with this topic. You put all sorts of stuff into your body (via your mouth) without you knowing where it came from, whether it has pesticides and other man made chemicals in it, (it probably does) but that doesn’t seem to worry you much. My distaste for the antivaxxers is less about their own choices, but how the vocalisation of their choice affects others. It is like just like a virus spreading through the population, just like religion, and neither of those went well! That you're gay is highly relevant to this conversation. Your instinct to be this way is a minority one but one that, thankfully, is now accepted by the vast majority as being perfectly ok. I on the other hand, when I voice how my own instincts drive me am roundly insulted 'antivaxer'. I'm not an antivaxer, I do not encourage others regarding vaccinations, either way, beyond perhaps encouraging people to think for themselves, rather than slavishly following the message being voiced by the establishment and their associated pressure groups. Fairness and equality should not be limited to those who happen to fit within certain parameters 'tick box equality', the views of all minorities should at least be respected, even if they are not agreed with. I disagree that being gay has any connection with you not wanting the vaccine. Being gay is not a choice, declining the vaccine is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:49:27 GMT
I understand that Xi Jinping is cracking down on anyone who is 'religious' in China. Is this where we are heading? Is it what we want? Faith comes from the heart, not the mind. It's not affected by intelligence, background, race, creed (or non belief), colour etc. Same with love and hope. Maybe the reason we are in a pickle is because we aren't listening to our hearts. ...just a species with an overdeveloped sense of self importance. Well I agree with that bit.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 13, 2020 12:55:48 GMT
Pharma must be a fantastic business to be in. Your product has the most enormous mark-up and then the Government makes it compulsory for everybody to consume it. Because it's funded through taxation, even the poorest people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:58:32 GMT
...And get the robots to do the work. If I remember the Matrix correctly, we end up being plugged into virtual reality and become the robots power source. We haven't quite got to the power source bit yet....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 13:03:07 GMT
That you're gay is highly relevant to this conversation. Your instinct to be this way is a minority one but one that, thankfully, is now accepted by the vast majority as being perfectly ok. I on the other hand, when I voice how my own instincts drive me am roundly insulted 'antivaxer'. I'm not an antivaxer, I do not encourage others regarding vaccinations, either way, beyond perhaps encouraging people to think for themselves, rather than slavishly following the message being voiced by the establishment and their associated pressure groups. Fairness and equality should not be limited to those who happen to fit within certain parameters 'tick box equality', the views of all minorities should at least be respected, even if they are not agreed with. Being gay is not a choice, Is it really as black and white as that? Can't some people be a bit gay?
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Post by peterboat on Nov 13, 2020 14:15:50 GMT
I'm sure they were talking about doing a vaccine without generating profits. Maybe this wasn't seen as a particularly attractive model after all. Insider trading anyone ? Old news he sold 56 million dollars worth of shares after he announced the vaccine as I have said before I think this vaccine is impracticable for a lot of the world and it will be very very expensive for the rest, leave if for the Germans and yanks, the oxford vaccine will along in a week or so and its been better tested on us oldies you know the ones that need it. Also its cheaper and we have paid for its development so we sort of own it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 14:35:44 GMT
Pharma must be a fantastic business to be in. Your product has the most enormous mark-up and then the Government makes it compulsory for everybody to consume it. Because it's funded through taxation, even the poorest people. Compulsory ? Are we back on the grassy knoll ? Rog
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