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Post by tadworth on May 10, 2016 23:09:39 GMT
I think Mike grimes just dropped a clanger. He let the truth slip out. Oops !
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Post by peterboat on May 10, 2016 23:30:34 GMT
Cheers tried to look on ch 4 news on the web but couldnt find it, saw a short film on it. From the trusts point of view I suppose its tomorrows chip paper, time will tell if they are right or wrong on it I honestly don't know what your expecting Peter,is it your hope that people just lay down beneath the CRT steamroller and be obliterated without raising any objection. I don't think its even a case of right and wrong. Its simple really, I am looking at it from CRTs point of view 30k boats on the water 50 -70 people complaining why bother? I am playing the devils advocate here but you can see there point. If 3000 had turned up then yes CRT would take notice and someone would have spoken to the protesters. Anyone watching might draw the same conclusion.
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Post by peterboat on May 10, 2016 23:39:05 GMT
I think Mike grimes just dropped a clanger. Although I suppose it is the truth at the end of the day. The trouble is only the court could decide which interpretation to run with. That unnerves me a bit TBH. It comes back to the dangers of getting what you wish for. Ultimately only a court case will sort out the right and wrongs of this, so if the NBTA are so sure they are right let the courts decide it, and then the issue will be laid to rest. The thing is as you say you might not get the result you wish for
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 23:47:59 GMT
I honestly don't know what your expecting Peter,is it your hope that people just lay down beneath the CRT steamroller and be obliterated without raising any objection. I don't think its even a case of right and wrong. Its simple really, I am looking at it from CRTs point of view 30k boats on the water 50 -70 people complaining why bother? I am playing the devils advocate here but you can see there point. If 3000 had turned up then yes CRT would take notice and someone would have spoken to the protesters. Anyone watching might draw the same conclusion. You don't know anything about any limitations which may have been imposed on the protest and you certainly don't know how CRT have perceived it or reacted to it. As usual it's all speculation. One day in the future we might all look back and wish we'd done more to protect inland boating from an organisation who don't see boaters as high priority. La la la until it's too late...
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Post by kris on May 11, 2016 2:29:58 GMT
Just watched the footage, brilliant Mike grimes really put his foot in it by telling the truth,he looked really uncomfortable doing it as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 5:07:54 GMT
I think the NBTA are the only organisation who are capturing the public's imagination when it comes to exposing CRT's motives. If it wasn't for them I'm sure that CRT would end up chipping away at more freedoms and pleasures which boaters have enjoyed up to now. CRT are trying to run the whole thing as a top heavy business which will suck the life out of it. Fair play to the NBTA and putting up with the rain. Nice to see Tadworth giving the NBTA a bit of support after his early dismissal of them and their use, what was it you objected to,oh I remember the word Traveller in the title.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 5:18:32 GMT
Just watched the footage, brilliant Mike grimes really put his foot in it by telling the truth,he looked really uncomfortable doing it as well. Kris,its like I said before,these people at CRT are in danger of becoming the new Railtrack,with the public turning against them and once that happens its all over. Mike Grimes looked just what he is,an overpaid quango employee on an inflated salary trampling on top of people less fortunate than himself, and now the issues are being opened up to the public who are by and large struggling also, this will do CRT nothing but harm. All these entrenched positions,continuous moorers etc etc won't matter to the public at large because they see the irrelevance of the argument.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 5:27:22 GMT
Although I suppose it is the truth at the end of the day. The trouble is only the court could decide which interpretation to run with. That unnerves me a bit TBH. It comes back to the dangers of getting what you wish for. Ultimately only a court case will sort out the right and wrongs of this, so if the NBTA are so sure they are right let the courts decide it, and then the issue will be laid to rest. The thing is as you say you might not get the result you wish for I think your wrong Peter,Public Opinion will play as great a Role as any court case.You and others seem to miss the point,"Does having a continuous cruiser license disenfranchise a family from society"? I don't believe it does and I don't think the public will believe it either. What can CRT say in court ? "The boat isn't moving far enough,so we have made the family homeless"
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 5:30:15 GMT
I looked at the clip. 'Social Cleansing' was uttered. That'll suit London's new Mayor - get the infidels shifted so more of his mates can move into London. Good luck to the boaters, I say - generally they look like people who just want to mind their own business, not cause any harm, and bring their kids up in an educated and civilised manner. When you look at the population of a city such as London, boaters make up a tiny, tiny percentage. I think the greatest threat would be for CRT to 'dissolve' and various bits of it to be handed to American Corporations such as G4 and the car-parking Mafia-run outfits. They will crack the whip and there'll be no mercy then. You may think "this can't happen" - but it has already (railways, car parks, prison authorities, British Tax Offices sold cheap, airport security & baggage handling). I wonder how many here, who support the boating communities, have done anything about the closure of rural Post Offices? Do you drive kids on your bus in this state? I was beginning to think I was the only one bored by this drivel,all of it off topic and adding nothing to our debate.
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Post by kris on May 11, 2016 6:01:27 GMT
Really good to see the issue represented well on the national news. Maybe the tide is turning against Crt.
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Post by kris on May 11, 2016 6:49:56 GMT
Just watched the footage on look east, the journalist definately didn't have as good a grasp of the issue and Mike grimes didn't look such a idiot. Oh well 1 out of 2 ain't bad. Look East - West, 10/05/2016: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b079rw4p via @bbciplayer
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 7:00:16 GMT
Just watched the footage on look east, the journalist definately didn't have as good a grasp of the issue and Mike grimes didn't look such a idiot. Oh well 1 out of 2 ain't bad. Look East - West, 10/05/2016: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b079rw4p via @bbciplayer We want to be maybe trying to get some affiliation or input from the NBTA on here.It would provide for great debate and argument
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Post by kris on May 11, 2016 7:05:34 GMT
Just watched the footage on look east, the journalist definately didn't have as good a grasp of the issue and Mike grimes didn't look such a idiot. Oh well 1 out of 2 ain't bad. Look East - West, 10/05/2016: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b079rw4p via @bbciplayer We want to be maybe trying to get some affiliation or input from the NBTA on here.It would provide for great debate and argument I told a few people about at the demo in London, but for a lot of people Facebook is the preferred method of communication. I prefere the forum format myself I think it's easier to have a discussion on a forum.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 7:07:13 GMT
cds - avert your eyes, not for you. For others, I mentioned Tillergraph May 2016 - page 5. Here I copy the article: Three-month licences scrapped As of this month, the Canal & River Trust is no longer offering 'last chance' three-month licences to craft without home moorings which it believes haven't cruised far enough. Over 5,000 boats' movement patterns were 'reviewed' by CRT to judge whether they were following its interpretation of the 1995 British Waterways Act. CRT said where there were concerns, three- and six-month licences were offered "to enable the customer to establish a more acceptable range of movement". "It was always the intention that offering three-month restricted licences would be a temporary measure" said head of boating Mike Grimes, adding that craft "not moving in line with our guidance, despite all the communication they have received, will no longer be offered a licence of any duration." I was just wondering what next... will there suddenly be boats that will no longer be offered licences from this month of May? This is the moment of truth - it's May 11th today. Are there already boats that have been refused three-month licences? Fact or fiction? To be honest Tillergraph are giving a history lesson as this is very much old news.NBTA have met with CRT who conceded little,I believe Jenlyn may have posted a minute of that encounter on this forum.As you clearly say we are entering a critical period.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 7:11:06 GMT
We want to be maybe trying to get some affiliation or input from the NBTA on here.It would provide for great debate and argument I told a few people about at the demo in London, but for a lot of people Facebook is the preferred method of communication. I prefere the forum format myself I think it's easier to have a discussion on a forum. I know nothing of Facebook Kris,is it not possible to post a link to Thunderboat on their Facebook Page.(London Boaters) and of course the K&A I think we are maybe missing an opportunity as a Forum.
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