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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 10:54:16 GMT
Some articles make no distinction between THC and THC metabolites so we may be talking at cross-purposes. I found this statement which clarifies, "Detection Time for Marijuana in Blood : Blood tests can detect presence of active THC; high levels indicate recent use, low levels may persist for hours or days." source www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdetection.html
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Post by kris on Nov 21, 2016 10:57:49 GMT
I think it's about time we had sensible drug policies, that treat citizens like adults. Legalization of cannabis will happen, but not because of any benefits to individuals but because of the potential tax revenue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 11:03:43 GMT
Delta9, where do you stand? Do you favour legalising it totally, or with some restrictions? 16+, 18+, 21+? Personally, I think it should stay illegal, but with light penalties for end users. Unfortunately that has the disadvantage that we support criminals (the dealers and smugglers).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 11:06:28 GMT
Legal cannabis could be graded for potency which would make it safer. you could have a star system. 7-star being 'skunk' or hashish, oil etc.
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Post by Delta9 on Nov 21, 2016 11:11:41 GMT
Delta9, where do you stand? Do you favour legalising it totally, or with some restrictions? 16+, 18+, 21+? Personally, I think it should stay illegal, but with light penalties for end users. Unfortunately that has the disadvantage that we support criminals (the dealers and smugglers). The way they do things in the Netherlands seems to work well. Personally I would like to see it fully legalised but with an age limit of 18.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 11:40:25 GMT
I have watched the films that show the after affects of cannabis would you want soldiers with guns using this stuff? Its an easy call to legalise it far better to force all dealers to ingest smoke all their product when caught No dealers = no problem!! I wonder whether the people in the films had been on alcohol at the same time? I must admit, I do admire people who can enjoy life without any chemical prop...and they get to save money along with their heath.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 11:51:47 GMT
I don't understand the reference to soldiers. Are soldiers using guns authorised to get bolloxed while on duty? Just because cannabis is illegal does not stop people using it.
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 21, 2016 12:35:05 GMT
Accepting the fact that the majority of young adults are going to experiment (I did) and having brought up 2x teenage/early twenties boys is:
The "traditional" drugs including the hard ones are at least known about in great detail and are largely "natural". I was far less worried about them smoking dope or taking mushrooms than unknown powders and pills with ever changing chemical formulas. In fact it beats me why anyone would even sample the latter.
I educated mine from a position of having tried them all (old school ones), a lot. One has never even smoked a ciggy, the other prefers a nice single malt, though would smoke spliff if someone passed him one and certainly has tried lots of stronger stuff.
He has acquaintances with no bladders from taking horse tranquillisers. I met one of his mates at strawberry fair who was off his nut on that gas they like, you make whipped cream with it. That was revolting, he looked really ill, like really drunk but professed to be happy. You could hardly stand for slipping on the gas canisters, thousands upon thousands.
Where I'm heading with this is that our children probably took all kinds of shite because the " normal" ones are illegal and as roughly law abiding nice young people they preferred not to break the law.
Which is worse? Laws clearly don't work and personally I'm affronted that decent people are criminalised by them.
*I'm not some waster BTW. There are plenty of professional people hoovering up hard drugs, they have the money.
Here's another, our armed forces are drug tested, particularly after any leave or weekend. So they can't smoke weed, but they can take a heap of MDMA/LSD/cocaine every weekend and fry their brains. Same for the cops and any drug tested profession. Tram drivers for instance.
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Post by patty on Nov 21, 2016 14:26:32 GMT
Cannabis as part of a life for recreational use I have no issues with When cannabis becomes must have addiction and destroys lives then I do have an issue,,but then its like all addictions it tears families apart.
I know alcohol addiction / abuse is bloody awful..Ive watched several family members succumb to various addictions . With cannabis our house reeked of it..it changed one of my sons beyond recognition..his siblings maintain it was skunk that affected his mind.
I would not wish on my worst enemy the living nightmare that was my life I have never turned my back on him..mums cannot, and oh so slowly we are getting there.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 21, 2016 14:27:34 GMT
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 15:11:52 GMT
Drug prohibition, aka The War on Drugs, has been an abject failure. Anyone who cannot, or will not, admit to this simple, unequivocal fact, has no place in any conversation regarding drug policy. Drugs are here to stay! They cannot be eliminated, only possibly controlled.
The controversy about drug legalization really boils down to one simple question, "Who would you rather be in charge of whether or not your kids get drugs - drug dealers or the government?
480,000 people died from tobacco related causes in the US in 2015. 42,000 of those people were innocent victims of second hand smoke.
As the US Drug Enforcement Administration notes, nobody has ever died of a marijuana overdose.
U.S. alcohol statistics reveal that approximately 50,000 cases of alcohol overdose are reported each year.
In 2014 Opioid overdose caused 28,367 deaths in the US.
It is totally insane that some people think it is okay to lock other human beings in a cage, or even execute them, for partaking in activities that are much less dangerous than their favorite pastimes of alcohol and tobacco.
Whilst it is unfortunate that some people abuse drugs and ruin their lives, it should be noted that in 2014 over 300,000 people died from obesity in the US. No one is suggesting outlawing fast food or sugary food and drinks, nor would anyone dare suggest that parents of fat kids be put in prison for making their kids fat.
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Post by bodger on Nov 21, 2016 15:18:37 GMT
The controversy about drug legalization really boils down to one simple question, "Who would you rather be in charge of whether or not your kids get drugs - drug dealers or the government? I have long been of the opinion that there is so much money in drugs that the trade must be controlled by certain people at the very top of the tree, if not actually in government then certainly with the power to lobby. Otherwise common sense says - legalise and control.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 16:04:48 GMT
As the US Drug Enforcement Administration notes, nobody has ever died of a marijuana overdose. But nobody ever dies of a tobacco overdose either. It's the long term effects that are hazardous; don't most users mix weed and tobacco?
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 16:15:59 GMT
Cannabis as part of a life for recreational use I have no issues with When cannabis becomes must have addiction and destroys lives then I do have an issue,,but then its like all addictions it tears families apart. I know alcohol addiction / abuse is bloody awful..Ive watched several family members succumb to various addictions . With cannabis our house reeked of it..it changed one of my sons beyond recognition..his siblings maintain it was skunk that affected his mind. I would not wish on my worst enemy the living nightmare that was my life I have never turned my back on him..mums cannot, and oh so slowly we are getting there. Patty. I'm sorry for what happened to your son. It should be noted, though, that while your son may have a psychological dependency on marijuana, he is not physically addicted to it in the same sense that people can be addicted to opioids, tobacco or alcohol. (Link to a pretty objective article about this subject.)"Skunk" is just a street name for particularly pungent strains of mj. There's good skunk and bad skunk, from a potency standpoint. Good strains of properly grown skunk will be up there on the potency scale, but not any more so than any other good strain. My point is, skunk is not some evil superplant. Your son would have had the same problems with many of the commonly available strains of mj on the market. If your son has ongoing problems with addictive behavior, I would suggest you do some reading about kratom. It's an herb that has shown great promise in combating addiction, but it is not without controversy. For anyone who is wondering, whilst I often advocate for an end to the war on drugs, I'm not a big drug user. This year I will go through 2.5 ounces of mj, at a cost of $500. I use no other recreational drugs, nor do I use tobacco or alcohol - not that it's beneath me, I just reached my lifetime limit of same decades ago.
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 16:21:05 GMT
As the US Drug Enforcement Administration notes, nobody has ever died of a marijuana overdose. But nobody ever dies of a tobacco overdose either. It's the long term effects that are hazardous; don't most users mix weed and tobacco? No. I know mixing hashish with tobacco and smoking it in coffee shops was once popular in Amsterdam. I have no idea if that is still true. Instead of trying to come up with inane equivalencies about "long term effects", why don't you just post your statistics about the number of annual deaths from the long term effects of smoking marijuana and then we can compare actual numbers in an intelligent manner instead of resorting to fluffy bunny hysterics and drug war propaganda.
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